[NAGDU] Billings clinic

[d m gina]

I live in Montana where we have the joys of winter months.
Also the joys of minus tempatures.
The clinic is for persons not vet.
Yes I use gentle leader what they called can't think of the name now.
Doesn't matter.
Yes I will use prong collar if needed when I have neuropathy in my feet 
and dog goes to fast.
It will slow her down.
To go my speed not hers loll.
School is fine with this.
I have had dogs for years, so I truly know it is ok to use prong collar 
if needed.
I also did the training with pet smart where they like gentle leader.
I also got a collar from chewey.com she is wearing where it still won't 
keep nose from wishing the best of eating off the floor when she gets a 
chance, where it will help her sit down fast at command.
She is getting better with the sit loll.
Hope this helps.
Original message:
> Hi, Dar. I am very sorry but I am having trouble understanding the
> particulars of your story. I am unsure if English is a second language for
> you? Or, perhaps you are dictating your post? I get the gist of your story,
> but not the intricacies. Is PALS a paratransit service? The clinic is for
> people or a veterinary clinic? Obviously the clinic can't have any rules
> regarding the equipment that a guide dog does or does not use. A muzzle? I
> am assuming that you mean a gentle leader? I don't know of any time when it
> would be appropriate or necessary to actually muzzle a guide dog. Prong
> collars are also generally not a good idea. Can they occasionally be needed
> and effective tools? Absolutely, but generally they are not issued to grads
> and trying other options first is usually the way to go. Booties in doors?
> Its none of the clinic's business, of course, but I personally, always
> remove booties indoors as the dog can slip and slide around on slick floors
> with booties on and straining or dislocating a hip or shoulder would be very
> bad for a guide dog. So, I am still trying to understand, your dog got
> loose? At this visit, or a different earlier occasion? I don't think you did
> anything wrong, and it does sound like harassment, but due to the way in
> which the post is written, I am truly struggling to understand the specifics
> of your situation and the incident you are telling the list about.

> Heather Bird
> "They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't
> a Communist.
> Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
> wasn't a trade unionist.
> Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
> Protestant.
> Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -
> Martin Niemöller
> In our diverse society we must never fail to speak up in the face of Human
> Rights violations lest we be the next targets of such violations.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:09 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: S L Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Billings clinic

> Dar:

> I can understand why you are upset.  It is not the van driver's job to
> criticize you and your dog.  The public does not understand how difficult it
> can be to control a young rambunctious dog.  I always have told people to
> call my school.  Then the school can explain that I am working my dog in the
> way I was instructed to during training.  You should definitely speak to a
> supervisor.  If the problems continue, then you may have to try another
> clinic.  Good luck.

> Sandra and Eva

> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:46 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: d m gina
> Subject: [NAGDU] Billings clinic

> Yesterday I was picked up by a van from the Billings clinic to go to a
> doctor appointment.
> The lady started unlocking my gate, I shared I would be glad to do this when
> folks find it easier to brake the lock than open gate.
> She got in a huff saying I didn't want help from anyone.
> I shared that would be fine to help if anyone would replace the broken part
> on the gate.
> I smiled getting into the van.
> Then making conversation I shared a few months ago I dropped the leash
> getting out of the van with my cane where the dog decided to take a strole.
> Even when I called her she stopped but had plans to take a nice walk down
> our block.
> The driver asked me if she could get the dog, I shared that would be kind of
> you.
> Well after lady left I corrected dog because this wasn't going to be a game
> played many times over.
> We live on a busy stree, where I was waiting for her to get hit.
> The lady shared that the pals department was working on taking my dog away.
> That I was mean to my dog had no respect for the dog, and I didn't deserve
> the dog.
> My rely was it is good to know what is happening how far have you gotten?
> Reply was not far we don't know school you got this dog from.
> I have Julie's harness with no school name on it.
> Also a leash same way no school ame on it.
> I must say I was shaken when I know all I try to do is keep missie in
> control in a public building.
> Lady shared that she knew I had three dogs taken away from me.
> I explained that wasn't true. Her reply was then that roomer had to stop.
> We get to the clinic where she starts talking to dog.
> I asked her not to do this just speak to person who trained with dog and
> they will give commands.
> She shared I didn't know what I was talking about and the dog knew nothing.
> I asked her to stop enough was enough.
> I get into building where she asks someone to take me up to my place of
> appointment.
> Not to talk to dog or touch it even though it is something that must be
> done.
> I did get to the second floor asking immediently to speak to a manager.
> I shared that I was threatened to have my dog taken away from the pals
> clinic.
> He asked if I got hit and I said no, I shared what happened, sharing that my
> training for the dog was from set school, and I wasn't going to change a
> thing.
> I want to be left alone on how to travel with my dog making sure she is well
> behaved in a setting as a clinic.
> Then I kept going up to the top.
> Way to the top.
> The lady shared with me she understood getting hold of staff in the pals
> area.
> I can't train dog if she doesn't make mistakes.
> Showing her doors elevators and much more as we are all trained to do in set
> schools.
> This is not the first time this problem has happened in set clinic.
> It was so bad seeing eye said they wouldn't take me back because they had to
> many complaints from set clinic.
> Complaints as muzzle was on to tight, boots are on dogs feet, prong collar
> shouldn't be used at all.
> Corrections are not allowed in clinic.
> Where when I brought her home, she had springs in her feet. If she thought
> something was good to look at behind her, she would jump and turn around.
> I picked her up by the middle of the harness sitting her down saying we are
> going this direction.
> That never happened again.
> Someone decided that it was ok to have her jump in their lap.
> I shared this wasn't part of the training. Getting her down again, she did
> get corrected to let her know this wasn't going to happen again.
> I am giving clinic another chance where if this doesn't stop I am feeling I
> can charge pals for harassment.
> Just thought I would share.
> I went home by uber I didn't want to go home with the same lady having more
> problems.
> The ride to the clinic is free to those who are patients of the clinic.
> A grant is given to them so it isn't as though they are paying for set
> grant.
> Thanks for reading.

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