[NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to apply to

Fri May 19 21:03:39 UTC 2017

Dar, are you trying to tell Brenda that she should go there? What do you
like about the school? Does their ownership policy please you? Why/why not?
Do you feel they have given you what you need in a guide dog school?
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to apply to

I am a pilot owner.

Original message:
> I realize that Pilot Dogs has not been referred too, but it is in Ohio 
> and they have a new facility.  I don't know about ownership, but my 
> last 2 guides have been from Pilot and they work fine.

> I chose Pilot specifically because I swore I would never fly again 
> after my last flight with my guide.  I was forced down a hallway and 
> searched for absolutely no reason.  When I explained that Amos's 
> harness was setting off the alarm and the TSA people wouldn't listen, I
had enough of their stuff!
> Have you considered Columbus sent you don't want to fly?

> Have a great day!

> Bob Hicks

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> President via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:52 PM
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> Cc: NAGDU President <blind411 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to 
> apply to

> Depending upon where you live, another good option is Freedom Guide Dogs.
> Two reasons I suggest them is that they transfer ownership upon 
> completion of training and provide only community placement. In other 
> words, they come to you. They have no facilities to house consumers, 
> as they focus strictly on providing training in your own community.

>         I would also like to recommend, as others have stated, you 
> check out ownership policies. I believe ownership has distinct 
> advantages. Not only do you need to never worry about your dog being 
> taken away without cause, you have the confidence that, when you need 
> help, you do not have any concern they will think you are a poor 
> handler and remove the dog. Be wary of Fidelco which states you own 
> your dog after six months but contractually assert they have the right 
> to repossess the dog at any time and for any reason at their sole and 
> absolute discretion. No matter what they call it, this is not ownership!

> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala

> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National 
> Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG

> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  
> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is 
> not what holds you back.

> -----Original Message-----
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> apply to

> Tray to gather information about the top 3 schools you might be 
> interested in going that. Some schools do grant ownership after two 
> years of working with a guide. TSE and GDB grant ownership but I'm not 
> sure about GDF. It doesn't hurt to talk to staff at some of the 
> schools so that you can make an informed choice. Some of us would be 
> happy to share our experiences with you, but as you know, the decision 
> is yours. Smiles. I wish you the best with your school search!

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:06 pm
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to 
> apply to

>> TSE, Leader, and GDF are all good.  First you have to decide what you 
>> want from a school because not all schools are the same when it comes 
>> to training.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brenda via
> NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:37 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Brenda
>> Subject: [NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to apply 
>> to

>> Hello List,

>> this week my pet dog Sadie passed over the rainbow bridge.  She was 
>> 15
> years
>> old and we had a wonderful life together. She is playing with her cat 
>> sisters who have gone before her. I will miss her and am still sad, 
>> but
> she
>> is no longer suffering so I'm at peace.

>> As my vision waned over the years, I became more and more interested 
>> in getting a guide dog, but sadie who was an APL rescue didn't like 
>> other
> dogs.
>> I did get O&m training to maintain my independence and have been 
>> using my skills and now I am ready to apply for a guide.

>> I have been surfing the guide dog school websites and reading posts 
>> from here and elsewhere about different guide dog schools and am now 
>> trying to sort things out.

>> Several schools at the top of my list do not grant full ownership.
>> This concerns me, but other than that I like the schools.  One school 
>> that does grant ownership is in California.  I live in Ohio and don't 
>> want to be on
> a
>> plane for a long time.  that may be silly, but I can't get over it.

>> So'''I would appreciate Listers input/opinions/guidance/thoughts on 
>> my situation.

>> the school I really like is Guiding eyes for the Blind.  They do not 
>> grant ownership at all, but I have not heard/read  anything negative 
>> about
> them.
> I
>> doubt they are in business to develop teams only to take the dog away.

>> My intent is not to debate ownership issues.  I want to learn Listers'
>> experiences with nonownership schools with the focus on GEB.

>> Thanks for any input.

>> Brenda

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