[NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to apply to

Fri May 19 21:21:45 UTC 2017

Original When many schools said no to my request, pilot was there.
I enjoy that when I come home I work with the dog to build her 
confidence where I know dogs have.
She is a slow dog to realize that working comes before play and I 
really want her to work for me.
I have to make sure she understands the request I am wishing for.
Many times this is a game for her.
Do I trust her, yes the more we are out there the more I trust.
She is showing me she thinks I might be a good mama after all.
I do feed her loll.
Have to keep the top food first you know.
They have three requests
forward rite and left.
The rest you can teach on your own.
I believe in myself knowing we can get this done.
I know she loves people and dogs, I have to work with her letting her 
know work comes first.
I hope I answered question.
message:
> Dar, are you trying to tell Brenda that she should go there? What do you
> like about the school? Does their ownership policy please you? Why/why not?
> Do you feel they have given you what you need in a guide dog school?
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com


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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to apply to

> I am a pilot owner.

> Original message:
>> I realize that Pilot Dogs has not been referred too, but it is in Ohio
>> and they have a new facility.  I don't know about ownership, but my
>> last 2 guides have been from Pilot and they work fine.

>> I chose Pilot specifically because I swore I would never fly again
>> after my last flight with my guide.  I was forced down a hallway and
>> searched for absolutely no reason.  When I explained that Amos's
>> harness was setting off the alarm and the TSA people wouldn't listen, I
> had enough of their stuff!
>> Have you considered Columbus sent you don't want to fly?

>> Have a great day!

>> Bob Hicks


>> -----Original Message-----
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>> President via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:52 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: NAGDU President <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to
>> apply to

>> Depending upon where you live, another good option is Freedom Guide Dogs.
>> Two reasons I suggest them is that they transfer ownership upon
>> completion of training and provide only community placement. In other
>> words, they come to you. They have no facilities to house consumers,
>> as they focus strictly on providing training in your own community.

>>         I would also like to recommend, as others have stated, you
>> check out ownership policies. I believe ownership has distinct
>> advantages. Not only do you need to never worry about your dog being
>> taken away without cause, you have the confidence that, when you need
>> help, you do not have any concern they will think you are a poor
>> handler and remove the dog. Be wary of Fidelco which states you own
>> your dog after six months but contractually assert they have the right
>> to repossess the dog at any time and for any reason at their sole and
>> absolute discretion. No matter what they call it, this is not ownership!

>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala


>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
>> Federation of the Blind
>> (813) 626-2789
>> President at NAGDU.ORG


>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is
>> not what holds you back.

>> -----Original Message-----
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>> apply to

>> Tray to gather information about the top 3 schools you might be
>> interested in going that. Some schools do grant ownership after two
>> years of working with a guide. TSE and GDB grant ownership but I'm not
>> sure about GDF. It doesn't hurt to talk to staff at some of the
>> schools so that you can make an informed choice. Some of us would be
>> happy to share our experiences with you, but as you know, the decision
>> is yours. Smiles. I wish you the best with your school search!


>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:06 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to
>> apply to


>>> TSE, Leader, and GDF are all good.  First you have to decide what you
>>> want from a school because not all schools are the same when it comes
>>> to training.
>>> Jordan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brenda via
>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:37 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Brenda
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] time to think about which guide dog school to apply
>>> to

>>> Hello List,

>>> this week my pet dog Sadie passed over the rainbow bridge.  She was
>>> 15
>> years
>>> old and we had a wonderful life together. She is playing with her cat
>>> sisters who have gone before her. I will miss her and am still sad,
>>> but
>> she
>>> is no longer suffering so I'm at peace.

>>> As my vision waned over the years, I became more and more interested
>>> in getting a guide dog, but sadie who was an APL rescue didn't like
>>> other
>> dogs.
>>> I did get O&m training to maintain my independence and have been
>>> using my skills and now I am ready to apply for a guide.

>>> I have been surfing the guide dog school websites and reading posts
>>> from here and elsewhere about different guide dog schools and am now
>>> trying to sort things out.

>>> Several schools at the top of my list do not grant full ownership.
>>> This concerns me, but other than that I like the schools.  One school
>>> that does grant ownership is in California.  I live in Ohio and don't
>>> want to be on
>> a
>>> plane for a long time.  that may be silly, but I can't get over it.

>>> So'''I would appreciate Listers input/opinions/guidance/thoughts on
>>> my situation.

>>> the school I really like is Guiding eyes for the Blind.  They do not
>>> grant ownership at all, but I have not heard/read  anything negative
>>> about
>> them.
>> I
>>> doubt they are in business to develop teams only to take the dog away.

>>> My intent is not to debate ownership issues.  I want to learn Listers'
>>> experiences with nonownership schools with the focus on GEB.

>>> Thanks for any input.

>>> Brenda


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