[NAGDU] What can I learn about my dog's background wasPuppies Behind Bars

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Mon Nov 27 05:06:45 UTC 2017 

I don't care to know what my puppy raisers could tell me about the dog. I
like some of the anecdotes we get from them, and they say a little about
things like how much fun they had with the kids; they got on the furniture
all the time; and on and on. I learn to know my dog, as Dar said, by how
he/she acts. I think I would be unlikely to ever know if he was raised in a
prison. The only thing I might like to know is if the dog has a tendency to
not like kids, but if I was someone who had them around regularly that would
have figured into the evaluation and matching process. 

Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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Original Pilot has prison dogs.
You don't know who they are, it is just said we don't know anything about
where she was raised.
When it is in the home, then the person lerns more.
You have to wait six months to find out anything.
I would love to learn more on behalf of my dog, where we just keep working
out each day.
I learn from the way she acts if she has been around children and much more.
message:
> You know, Sherry, you have a right to feel as you do, but how the 
> prisoners raise the dogs does not make them any different, as you 
> know. I would submit that prisoners are people, too. Sure all this was 
> wrong, but once you have family imprisoned, you learn to view things 
> some differently. The folks there need the rehabilitation that the dog 
> training can afford. They have the time, and often they need the 
> unconditional love, too. I appreciate how you feel, but that woman's 
> lack of remorse could be something different. I won't say more, but I 
> think the prison experience is good for both the dogs and the 
> prisoners. I am glad that the dogs go out on weekends to other raisers 
> to get exposed to other environments because I could see that as a
problem.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com




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> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry 
> Gomes via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:11 PM
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> Cc: Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

> I took one of my dogs to prison with my church choir a long long time ago.
> We went to a minimum security prison. The guys were very happy to see 
> my dog. Another time, I went with my cousin to see her ex-husband, who 
> was in San Quentin for drug charges. We met in a big room with lots of 
> prisoners and their guests, and one woman asked if her husband could say
hi to my dog.
> He was a lifer and had already been there 15 years so hadn't seen a 
> dog in a very long time. He cried and cried when he petted my dog. 
> Having said all that, I would not want a dog raised in prison. I knew 
> a woman who had one, and the dog was fabulous. But years ago, I read 
> the book small Miracles by ann Rule. Near the end, she mentioned that 
> on one of her visits to Diane Downs for interviews, Downs was raising 
> a puppy to be a service dog. Downs never showed any remorse about 
> murdering one of her children and trying to murder all three. So I 
> felt she had no right to the privilege of raising a dog. If GDB ever 
> started having their dogs raised in prison, I'd tell them I definitely 
> do not want one of those dogs. It might be a dumb attitude, but the 
> idea that people like Diane Downs, or anyone like her,  could raise a dog
I might get is terrible to me.


> Sherry


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> One of the prisons here in Iowa used to work with dogs as did the 
> women's prison, but I can't remember if they were training them for a 
> program. I t got too crowded for them to have a good facility. When I 
> went to the women's prison once to participate in the church service 
> there, several looked longingly at Fisher and said, "awe", but they 
> had been instructed not to mess with him. I was sort of sorry they had
been.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com


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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>  America's VetDogs (a sister organization to the Guide Dog Foundation 
> for the Blind in Smithtown, NY) has puppy raisers in prison - they are 
> imprisoned veterans that raise pups specifically for other veterans to 
> provide them with enhanced mobility and renewed independence.  As with 
> GDF, there is no cost to get a pup.  The dogs spend their weekdays 
> being trained by honor prisoners and go to a family on weekends for 
> social exposure.  The pups typically stay at the prison for 12 to 18 
> months, then go off to "puppy college" for their specific formal 
> training which lasts approximately 4 months.  I raise puppies for GDF 
> and we often cross train with the VetDogs program.  It's amazing to 
> see what these animals can do, from finding the button to open a 
> handicapped entrance, to pushing an elevator button, or opening and 
> closing doors, pulling laundry baskets, waking a veteran that's having 
> flashbacks, to just being a general companion and getting the veteran 
> to be comfortable in the public again.  If anyone needs more 
> information on the VetDogs program, their website is America's VetDogs 
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>     On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 5:14:49 PM EST, David via NAGDU 
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>  Cross-posted

> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/puppies-behind-bars-with
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