[NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs

Mon Jul 9 22:06:18 UTC 2018

I am so sorry this is continuing to occur.  Is going back to the school as a team or sending just him to be evaluated an option?

Not trashing here, but my husband had many issues with his dog in the past from Leader and has gotten dogs from GDB ever since.
Hugs to you for tough decisions!

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
Nancy Irwin

> On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:55 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That is definitely something I am starting to think about.  Not a decision I
> want to make though that is for sure.  I am totally not sure what really to
> do since putting a band-aid on the problem is not going to solve much, and
> the gentle leader, well does not do a thing to slow or stop this dog as I
> have previously discussed with Leader Dogs so I have no idea why they keep
> going back to telling me to use it.  All I know right now is I am frustrated
> with Leader Dogs for not getting it the first time, and then blaming losing
> the fact I needed a visit as soon as possible on a computer issue when I was
> bringing the problem up rather frequently and then telling me to do things I
> have already tried that do not work on a dog as strong willed as he is.  GDB
> was smart and had a dog back in 2010 doing exact same behaviors and pulled
> that dog from training immediately which is what should have happened with
> Belto.
> Jordan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sandra Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 4:20 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
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> Cc: Sandra Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs
> 
>    Jordan:
> 
> You have been having these problems with Belto for a very long time now. 
> Maybe it is time to consider retiring him.  It is obvious that he cannot be
> trusted to behave himself around other dogs.  This is particularly dangerous
> if you attend meetings or functions with other blind people and their guide
> dogs.  You have tried very hard but some problem behaviors just cannot be
> fixed.
> 
> Sandra Johnson and Eva
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 4:50 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
> Subject: [NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs
> 
> The subject says it all.  Leader Dogs is up to not listening nor taking the
> problem seriously again regarding Belto's aggressive behaviors around other
> dogs sometimes.  Suggestions?  They are down to one field rep as some of us
> might be aware of.  .  Last night was the exact situation I have been
> worrying about where he tries to attack another dog and nothing works to put
> a stop to it except for getting physical with my dog, which is exactly what
> I ended up having to do.  Other times the dog or dogs are behind fences and
> it took both me and the girlfriend I had at the time to literally drag him
> out of those situations.  His work is great otherwise, but none of the usual
> methods work on Belto since he is so strong willed.  Leader is also failing
> to realize that there is a big difference between when Belto wants to play
> with another dog and when he is being aggressive.  Usually, if Belto is
> going to be aggressive, I am quite close to the other dog before he shows
> any interest where as if he wants to play, he will start picking up the pace
> and pulling more a bit of a distance from the other dog.  That case, hop up
> and/or a correction works every single time to get his head on straight.
> 
> Jordan
> 
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