[NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs

[Tara Briggs]

I’m so sorry this is happening! It  must be so hard! My first guide saw every other dog is a potential playmate and it was a pain. So I can’t imagine how difficult it must be for you dealing with issues of aggression. If I were in your shoes, I think I would seriously consider retiring the dog and looking into a different school that might  meet my needs better. Good luck to you with whatever happens!

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> On Jul 9, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am so sorry this is continuing to occur.  Is going back to the school as a team or sending just him to be evaluated an option?
> 
> Not trashing here, but my husband had many issues with his dog in the past from Leader and has gotten dogs from GDB ever since.
> Hugs to you for tough decisions!
> 
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
> Nancy Irwin
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:55 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> That is definitely something I am starting to think about.  Not a decision I
>> want to make though that is for sure.  I am totally not sure what really to
>> do since putting a band-aid on the problem is not going to solve much, and
>> the gentle leader, well does not do a thing to slow or stop this dog as I
>> have previously discussed with Leader Dogs so I have no idea why they keep
>> going back to telling me to use it.  All I know right now is I am frustrated
>> with Leader Dogs for not getting it the first time, and then blaming losing
>> the fact I needed a visit as soon as possible on a computer issue when I was
>> bringing the problem up rather frequently and then telling me to do things I
>> have already tried that do not work on a dog as strong willed as he is.  GDB
>> was smart and had a dog back in 2010 doing exact same behaviors and pulled
>> that dog from training immediately which is what should have happened with
>> Belto.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sandra Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 4:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
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>> Cc: Sandra Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs
>> 
>>   Jordan:
>> 
>> You have been having these problems with Belto for a very long time now. 
>> Maybe it is time to consider retiring him.  It is obvious that he cannot be
>> trusted to behave himself around other dogs.  This is particularly dangerous
>> if you attend meetings or functions with other blind people and their guide
>> dogs.  You have tried very hard but some problem behaviors just cannot be
>> fixed.
>> 
>> Sandra Johnson and Eva
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 4:50 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Not impressed at all with Leader Dogs
>> 
>> The subject says it all.  Leader Dogs is up to not listening nor taking the
>> problem seriously again regarding Belto's aggressive behaviors around other
>> dogs sometimes.  Suggestions?  They are down to one field rep as some of us
>> might be aware of.  .  Last night was the exact situation I have been
>> worrying about where he tries to attack another dog and nothing works to put
>> a stop to it except for getting physical with my dog, which is exactly what
>> I ended up having to do.  Other times the dog or dogs are behind fences and
>> it took both me and the girlfriend I had at the time to literally drag him
>> out of those situations.  His work is great otherwise, but none of the usual
>> methods work on Belto since he is so strong willed.  Leader is also failing
>> to realize that there is a big difference between when Belto wants to play
>> with another dog and when he is being aggressive.  Usually, if Belto is
>> going to be aggressive, I am quite close to the other dog before he shows
>> any interest where as if he wants to play, he will start picking up the pace
>> and pulling more a bit of a distance from the other dog.  That case, hop up
>> and/or a correction works every single time to get his head on straight.
>> 
>> Jordan
>> 
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