[NAGDU] Uber cancels again

Fri Aug 12 16:56:30 UTC 2022

I would say that first you need to know the state statute that makes it a
criminal offense. Then when the cop say it's a civil matter you can tell
them no it isn't his the statute that makes it from it a criminal offense.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 12:45 PM Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

>                         So how do you resolve that if you call the cops
> and they swear it’s a civil matter when it isn't?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:42 AM
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> Cc: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>
> No, it was not a civil matter! Chances are that your state statute covers
> the public access issue as well as the ADA. Many lawn Forssman people think
> that it is simply a civil matter when it is not
>
> JODY
>
> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>
>
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>
> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
> Erik Weihenmayer
>
> > On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > It wasn't uber or Lyft, but when the Fung Wah bus company refused to
> > take me because of my guide dog, the cops did come, but said they
> > couldn't force Fung Wah to take me because it was a civil law matter.
> > During the wonderful and exciting case that arose from this, I never
> > heard that the cops could have done more.  One of them did drive my
> > wife and me to a nearby Amtrak station, so we made the trip anyway.
> > (Note:  the saga began on 15 January 2004.)
> >
> >
> > Incidentally, our case did make the news, so you might have heard of
> it.  We won a considerable award, technically, but never got a penny
> because the company crashed here and went elsewhere after losing its
> appeals.
> >
> >
> > If any state has criminal penalties for this sort of thing, that might
> indeed be a help.
> >
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> >> On 8/12/22 08:11, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
> >> Hi Jodi.
> >> Sorry, won't work.  They don't stop; they just drive by.  Or, in my
> case, cancel as soon as they suspect I might have a dog with me.
> >> Tracy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody
> >> ianuzzi via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:28 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Cc: Jody ianuzzi
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
> >>
> >> It is in violation of state statute and the ADA to deny someone a
> >> ride. Perhaps it is time to call the police each and every time and
> >> have them charged with a misdemeanor
> >>
> >> JODY
> >>
> >> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
> >>
> >>
> >> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >>
> >> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
> >> Erik Weihenmayer
> >>
> >>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, this business is utterly frustrating.  Before Uber and Lyft,
> there were cabs and at least one bus company that screwed us this way.
> >>>
> >>> Particular to Uber and Lyft and their ilk, though, what more
> particular things do you think we should do?  I've been away from law for a
> long time, so I don't know what remedies we might still have.
> >>>
> >>> Best!
> >>> Al
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> >>> via NAGDU
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 2:35 PM
> >>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>> Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
> >>>
> >>> They simply don't care. Uber has demonstrated that time and time
> again. The question is what are we as an organization going to do
> differently to address the problem?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael Hingson
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> >>> NAGDU
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 11:19 AM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
> >>>
> >>> Don’t these guys realize that you know they cancelled. You are not
> living in a vacuum?
> >>> Cindy Ray
> >>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I took Igloo to the vet today to get a heartworm test so I can
> >>>> order him more meds.  When I was done, I sent for an Uber.  When I
> >>>> got a driver, I messaged him to say to come around to the back
> >>>> parking lot of the animal clinic, since it's hard to find.  I also
> >>>> said I'm blind and to call out to me.  Shortly afterwards, that
> >>>> driver cancelled.  I really doubt it was a coincidence.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps I should have added that I have a service dog?
> >>>>
> >>>> Last time I tried to complain about a driver cancelling when he saw
> >>>> I have a service dog, I got no satisfaction at all.  Clearly Uber
> >>>> is no longer interested, even as much as they ever were.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's becoming a trend.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tracy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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