[NAGDU] Uber cancels again

Fri Aug 12 17:17:01 UTC 2022

If you get the nagdu app you can find all of your state statutes. In New Hampshire it is 167D. I have it handy in my pocket for such occasions.

JODY

To Boldly Go  🖖🏻 

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"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 12:58 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would say that first you need to know the state statute that makes it a
> criminal offense. Then when the cop say it's a civil matter you can tell
> them no it isn't his the statute that makes it from it a criminal offense.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 12:45 PM Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>                        So how do you resolve that if you call the cops
>> and they swear it’s a civil matter when it isn't?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:42 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>> 
>> No, it was not a civil matter! Chances are that your state statute covers
>> the public access issue as well as the ADA. Many lawn Forssman people think
>> that it is simply a civil matter when it is not
>> 
>> JODY
>> 
>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>> 
>> 
>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>> 
>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
>> Erik Weihenmayer
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It wasn't uber or Lyft, but when the Fung Wah bus company refused to
>>> take me because of my guide dog, the cops did come, but said they
>>> couldn't force Fung Wah to take me because it was a civil law matter.
>>> During the wonderful and exciting case that arose from this, I never
>>> heard that the cops could have done more.  One of them did drive my
>>> wife and me to a nearby Amtrak station, so we made the trip anyway.
>>> (Note:  the saga began on 15 January 2004.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Incidentally, our case did make the news, so you might have heard of
>> it.  We won a considerable award, technically, but never got a penny
>> because the company crashed here and went elsewhere after losing its
>> appeals.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If any state has criminal penalties for this sort of thing, that might
>> indeed be a help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Al
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/12/22 08:11, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Hi Jodi.
>>>> Sorry, won't work.  They don't stop; they just drive by.  Or, in my
>> case, cancel as soon as they suspect I might have a dog with me.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody
>>>> ianuzzi via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:28 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Jody ianuzzi
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>>>> 
>>>> It is in violation of state statute and the ADA to deny someone a
>>>> ride. Perhaps it is time to call the police each and every time and
>>>> have them charged with a misdemeanor
>>>> 
>>>> JODY
>>>> 
>>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
>>>> Erik Weihenmayer
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, this business is utterly frustrating.  Before Uber and Lyft,
>> there were cabs and at least one bus company that screwed us this way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Particular to Uber and Lyft and their ilk, though, what more
>> particular things do you think we should do?  I've been away from law for a
>> long time, so I don't know what remedies we might still have.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best!
>>>>> Al
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 2:35 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>>>>> 
>>>>> They simply don't care. Uber has demonstrated that time and time
>> again. The question is what are we as an organization going to do
>> differently to address the problem?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 11:19 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don’t these guys realize that you know they cancelled. You are not
>> living in a vacuum?
>>>>> Cindy Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I took Igloo to the vet today to get a heartworm test so I can
>>>>>> order him more meds.  When I was done, I sent for an Uber.  When I
>>>>>> got a driver, I messaged him to say to come around to the back
>>>>>> parking lot of the animal clinic, since it's hard to find.  I also
>>>>>> said I'm blind and to call out to me.  Shortly afterwards, that
>>>>>> driver cancelled.  I really doubt it was a coincidence.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps I should have added that I have a service dog?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Last time I tried to complain about a driver cancelling when he saw
>>>>>> I have a service dog, I got no satisfaction at all.  Clearly Uber
>>>>>> is no longer interested, even as much as they ever were.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's becoming a trend.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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