[NAGDU] Uber cancels again

Star Gazer pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
Mon Aug 15 14:10:04 UTC 2022 

			This will work if the cops want to listen, some do and some don't. 
When I had my experiences with this, it was way before cell phones, I had a card to show the police and they just were. Not. Interesting, it was like dealing with a computer that is not accept any data, not from me. 
This was nearly two decades ago and maybe things have changed. 
I'll add though that I've had far more positive experiences with the cops more recently, with the caveaot that those encounters were not what I'd call blindness or disability related. And no, nothing bad is happening to me, I am thinking specifically of a time when a very aggressive panhandler would not leave me alone and I began to fear for my safety. The security at the store refused to tell the pandhandler to move along so I called the police who were more then happy to make sure I felt safe to leave the store's vicinity. and another time when a door was open in my house and I wanted the police to make sure nobody was hiding in my basement. I had my then baby with me and knew I'd closed everything up when I left. In both those instances the cops were very respectful and told me they were glad I'd gotten them involved. My house was fine btw.  In that case, the cop told me "I'm trained to check this out, I'd rather discover the wind blew the door open then be dealing with an injured mom and/or baby". 
Point being, those cards never did me any good with access issues. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Debbie Malone via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 12:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again

I would say that first you need to know the state statute that makes it a criminal offense. Then when the cop say it's a civil matter you can tell them no it isn't his the statute that makes it from it a criminal offense.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 12:45 PM Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

>                         So how do you resolve that if you call the 
> cops and they swear it’s a civil matter when it isn't?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via 
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:42 AM
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> Cc: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>
> No, it was not a civil matter! Chances are that your state statute 
> covers the public access issue as well as the ADA. Many lawn Forssman 
> people think that it is simply a civil matter when it is not
>
> JODY
>
> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>
>
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>
> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS 
> Erik Weihenmayer
>
> > On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > It wasn't uber or Lyft, but when the Fung Wah bus company refused 
> > to take me because of my guide dog, the cops did come, but said they 
> > couldn't force Fung Wah to take me because it was a civil law matter.
> > During the wonderful and exciting case that arose from this, I never 
> > heard that the cops could have done more.  One of them did drive my 
> > wife and me to a nearby Amtrak station, so we made the trip anyway.
> > (Note:  the saga began on 15 January 2004.)
> >
> >
> > Incidentally, our case did make the news, so you might have heard of
> it.  We won a considerable award, technically, but never got a penny 
> because the company crashed here and went elsewhere after losing its 
> appeals.
> >
> >
> > If any state has criminal penalties for this sort of thing, that 
> > might
> indeed be a help.
> >
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> >> On 8/12/22 08:11, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
> >> Hi Jodi.
> >> Sorry, won't work.  They don't stop; they just drive by.  Or, in my
> case, cancel as soon as they suspect I might have a dog with me.
> >> Tracy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody 
> >> ianuzzi via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:28 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Cc: Jody ianuzzi
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
> >>
> >> It is in violation of state statute and the ADA to deny someone a 
> >> ride. Perhaps it is time to call the police each and every time and 
> >> have them charged with a misdemeanor
> >>
> >> JODY
> >>
> >> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
> >>
> >>
> >> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >>
> >> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO 
> >> BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer
> >>
> >>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, this business is utterly frustrating.  Before Uber and 
> >>> Lyft,
> there were cabs and at least one bus company that screwed us this way.
> >>>
> >>> Particular to Uber and Lyft and their ilk, though, what more
> particular things do you think we should do?  I've been away from law 
> for a long time, so I don't know what remedies we might still have.
> >>>
> >>> Best!
> >>> Al
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael 
> >>> Hingson via NAGDU
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 2:35 PM
> >>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >>> Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
> >>>
> >>> They simply don't care. Uber has demonstrated that time and time
> again. The question is what are we as an organization going to do 
> differently to address the problem?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael Hingson
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via 
> >>> NAGDU
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 11:19 AM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
> >>>
> >>> Don’t these guys realize that you know they cancelled. You are not
> living in a vacuum?
> >>> Cindy Ray
> >>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I took Igloo to the vet today to get a heartworm test so I can 
> >>>> order him more meds.  When I was done, I sent for an Uber.  When 
> >>>> I got a driver, I messaged him to say to come around to the back 
> >>>> parking lot of the animal clinic, since it's hard to find.  I 
> >>>> also said I'm blind and to call out to me.  Shortly afterwards, 
> >>>> that driver cancelled.  I really doubt it was a coincidence.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps I should have added that I have a service dog?
> >>>>
> >>>> Last time I tried to complain about a driver cancelling when he 
> >>>> saw I have a service dog, I got no satisfaction at all.  Clearly 
> >>>> Uber is no longer interested, even as much as they ever were.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's becoming a trend.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tracy
> >>>>
> >>>>
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