[NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Vivianna irishana at gmail.com
Tue Jul 12 14:52:25 UTC 2022


Hi.
There is no handbook on how to train your own guide dog. There are lots of books and sites about training dogs, puppy raising, puppy testing, etc. i suggest reading those. 
I would say, learn about dog breeds and characteristics, puppy testing, puppy training and raising, training methods, dog nutrition and illnesses. Think about what you want from a dog? What do you want the dog to do? Think about what will happen if the dog doesn’t work out. Etc. maybe talk to some owner-trainers. 
HTH.

Vivianna


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2022, at 1:34 AM, Sam Doman via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I was curious about that myself. Is there a good sight or what would be some good books you'd recommend for learning more about this topic?
> Thanks,
> SamOn Jul 11, 2022 8:40 PM, Vivianna via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> Because, i like dogs and like training them. I am willing to put in the time
>> and effort. I know what i want in a dog. I can choose my own dog and breed
>> of dog. I can train the dog the way i want. I have the financial ability to
>> take care of my own dog and buy my own gear. And so many other things.
>> But, i do definitely think it’s not for everybody. Or, may i dare say, for
>> most folks. The amount of time alone to train a dog from pup to working dog
>> is many many hours of consistent work.
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Vivianna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am choosing to owner train because the waiting lists are more than two years. I also really enjoy training dogs.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Brent Franklin via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I find this an interesting discussion. The question is why? What made you go
>>>> down that path.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers.
>>>> 
>>>> Brent.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:50 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Vivianna
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
>>>> 
>>>> Hi.
>>>> Yes, i have trained several of my guides. And, i did not use any “resources”.
>>>> Owner-training is just that, training your own dog. So, i did all of the
>>>> training. If you are using a trainer and having your dog trained then that
>>>> is having your dog privately trained and, it’s quite costly.
>>>> There are training books available now, as well as loads of youtube videos
>>>> etc. but, i trained most of my dogs without these. I read them now though
>>>> because, they are there and i can. I am currently working my 3.5 year old
>>>> boy so won’t have to do it again for a while i hope.
>>>> 
>>>> Vivianna
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> I am considering owner training a guide dog. I was wondering, if you owner
>>>>> trained your guide what resources did you use? In my area there are no
>>>>> professional trainers that train guide dogs.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Shelby
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey guys I had serious audio issues at both Magda meetings so I really
>>>>>> didn't hear what Tim was proposing. Anybody want a sunrise for me? I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> we should schedule a negative meeting very soon to see if nagged you and
>>>>>> nfb will do more. Then we can decide what happens from there. What do you
>>>>>> think?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 3:39 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The law suit did something. It simply wasn't that we made Uber's need to
>>>>>>> comply strong enough. What Tim discussed at the NAGDU meeting is a
>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>> but we already did that. We need to not only pursue what Tim suggested,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> we need to look at other possible options. Not going to discuss too much
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> public right now. If NAGDU leaders want to discuss then we can schedule
>>>>>>> time. There are options we can explore.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of robert stigile via
>>>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:13 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So what are you proposing since a lawsuit did absolutely nothing!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>>>>>>> Valley Chapter
>>>>>>> 818-381-9568
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Michael, I totally agree. It's time to take more serious action. And
>>>>>>>> the time is now.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 2:06 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The fact is that Uber does not take you nor any of us seriously. When
>>>>>>>>> will NAGDU and the NFB go after Uber as a company for violating the
>>>>>>>>> ADA? Time for settlements to go away. Uber already thinks so. We
>>>>>>>>> should strategize.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The final response I got was that they monitor "high cancellation
>>>>>>>>> rates"
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> warn drivers about them. What are the odds of that driver finding
>>>>>>>>> another service dog user to cancel on within the next few months?
>>>>>>>>> Pretty darned unlikely, I think.  So he gets away with it, and Uber
>>>>>>>>> totally doesn't even understand the problem.
>>>>>>>>> You might be right; it's not a human responding.
>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 11:31 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer; 'Tracy Carcione'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>                             They aren't, almost sounds like an AI
>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am not happy with Uber's response to my complaint about a driver
>>>>>>>>> cancelling and driving off when he saw my dog.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I put the trip date/time in my complaint, and I also chose the
>>>>>>>>> correct trip on my way to the form, and I saw the date/time seemingly
>>>>>>>>> attached to my comment.  And yet I got a message from Uber saying
>>>>>>>>> they couldn't find the trip.  So I wrote again, repeating the info
>>>>>>>>> I'd already given them.  Then I got a response saying the price was
>>>>>>>>> good and they couldn't do anything about it and I wouldn't get a
>>>>>>>>> refund.  I wrote back saying I don't want a refund.
>>>>>>>>> I want them to tell the driver not to cancel a trip when he sees a
>>>>>>>>> service dog.  It's like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
>>>>>>>>> Grrrr.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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