[nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab

Wed Sep 18 18:04:37 UTC 2013

Yes, they said that I have to follow the rules of the lab!  They did not 
even want me to take the ASL class in the OSD office!  I was going to bring 
my mom as my reader because DARS is not providing me reader services 
because, I already have a degree.  But OSD said she could not be my reader 
but I don't have the money to hirer one myself without DARS help. I have to 
CHOOSE either a reader or an interpreter , I cant have both!  I will find 
out today!  I was taking ASL for myself but it is proving rather stressful 
which is not good for my MS! If I have to much stress today, I will have to 
drop the course!   I cant walk if I get to stresse because my mussles git 
really tite and weak!  I will try to stay because, I need it for myself and 
my tactile interpreters in class are doing there best! Heather  -----  
Original Message ----- 
From: maurice mines
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab

Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to 
watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the 
person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit, 
and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the 
classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to 
hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor 
agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is 
workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a 
braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find 
someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary 
issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think 
would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor 
needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other 
things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth. 
Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps 
some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on 
the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of 
these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into 
a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services 
office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,, 
which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or 
the professional side?

Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark 
County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address, 
Maurice.mines at PCC.edu

On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net> 
wrote:

  Hi Heather.
  Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator?  It 
is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker 
and the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL 
answer.  I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the 
sight person can read the question/comment and then type their response 
either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone 
using a Bluetooth connection.  The I Can Connect program can provide you 
with this technology.
  Janice

  On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:

    I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and 
does not speak!  So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two 
deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me 
the signs!  I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will 
tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board!  That is in 
the classroom.  We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to 
show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to 
be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you 
cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your 
not allowed to use spoken language in the lab!  I just feel like their 
making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here!  For 
example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id 
and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the 
signs, without ever speaking at all!  So if we are watching videos, they 
will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me! 
I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning 
through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the 
sign!  I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to 
understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me! 
Any ideas?  Heather ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Steve Jacobson
    To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
    Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
    Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab

    Explain more how you are taking this class?  How are you getting the 
information being conveyed in general?  It would seem as
    though there must be something that could be worked out with the 
instructor to signal when you don't get something without
    speaking?  This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind 
person taking a course like this.

    Best regards,

    Steve Jacobson

    On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:

    >My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or 
ask
    >about a sign or how to make the sign!  They said I will be asked to 
leave
    >and cant come back till the next day!  If I do it more than three 
times, I
    >am band from the lab for 2 weeks!  But I cant read the book with all 
the
    >signs or see the videos!  I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab!  I
    >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can 
you use
    >it!  If you cant see the person signing, what should you do?  I have 
two
    >tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at 
all. I
    >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
    >teaching me?  Even people taking ESL use their language to teach 
someone
    >English!
    >----- Original Message ----- 
    >From: RJ Sandefur
    >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
    >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
    >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab

    >Hay I don't see any problem
    >  ----- Original Message ----- 
    >  From: heather albright
    >  To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
    >  Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
    >  Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab

    >  Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab!  They said I 
cant
    >talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak!  So if I 
don't get
    >something, I cant ask to be sure!  Is that not against ADA because, I 
won't
    >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they 
said I
    >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab!   Afterall I am blind 
and
    >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair!  So how can a
    >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL?    Heather

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