[nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 56, Issue 10 ASL classes
Tracie Inman
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Thu Sep 19 14:23:26 UTC 2013
Hello: I taught American Sign Language, and as a teacher I can tell you students are required to go to the lab to work on their skills. I am also Deaf-Blind and I am now losing most of my sight. My daughter is also Deaf-Blind and she uses tactile. Our vision does not excuse us from practicing in a visual environment. I know it is not easy. Hang in there. Here is some ways you can improve your situation.
1. Ask your teacher to assign you a partner. Then meet with the partner outside of the lab/class and practice the signs together. Practice reading their signs and have them practice reading yours. The more you practice, the easier it becomes.
2. Ask for a tutor. Your tutor can work with you outside the lab as well as inside the lab. Again, practice is your key word. The more you work at it, the easier it becomes.
3. Ask the college/school to provide you with an interpreter. While you can not use voice in the class room or in the lab, they can translate into your hands all that is going on around you, including but not limited to conversation. There is new training for Deaf-Blind interpreters and they are being taught to convey visual information, emotions, body language, etc to the Deaf-Blind individual.
Some things to know. Your interpreter can not speak or advocate on your behalf. Neither can an SSP. You must do all advocacy and speaking on your own. They can voice for you if you can not speak, but they can not speak on your behalf. They are only to act as a facilitator of communication. Good luck. I hope things get better for you.
Best Regards,
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1. Re: rules in the ASLlab (Steve Jacobson)
2. Re: rules in the ASLlab (heather albright)
3. Re: rules in the ASLlab (Janice Toothman)
4. Re: rules in the ASLlab (maurice mines)
5. Re: rules in the ASLlab (heather albright)
6. Re: rules in the ASLlab (heather albright)
7. Re: rules in the ASLlab (Scott Davert)
8. Re: rules in the ASLlab (M Lucca)
9. Re: rules in the ASLlab (M Lucca)
10. Re: rules in the ASLlab (M Lucca)
11. Re: rules in the ASLlab (M Lucca)
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:53:16 -0500
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
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Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor to signal when you don't get something without
speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind person taking a course like this.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask
>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave
>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I
>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you use
>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I
>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
>English!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: RJ Sandefur
>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>Hay I don't see any problem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: heather albright
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant
>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get
>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't
>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I
>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and
>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:31:59 -0500
From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does
not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf
interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the
signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will
tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in
the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to
show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to
be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you
cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your
not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their
making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For
example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id
and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the
signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they
will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me!
I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning
through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the
sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to
understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me!
Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Jacobson
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the
information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor
to signal when you don't get something without
speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind
person taking a course like this.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask
>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave
>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I
>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you
>use
>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I
>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
>English!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: RJ Sandefur
>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>Hay I don't see any problem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: heather albright
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant
>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't
>get
>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't
>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said
>I
>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and
>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
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From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
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Hi Heather.
Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator?
It is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the
DBC/notetaker and the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the
tactile ASL answer. I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen
in which the sight person can read the question/comment and then type
their response either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can
pair it with a Iphone using a Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect
program can provide you with this technology.
Janice
On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:
> I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and
> does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and
> two deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and
> showing me the signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes
> a classmate will tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads
> the board! That is in the classroom. We have to have lab hours in
> the ASL lab making videos to show our signing and you have to watch
> the videos to get the infromation to be able to make your signing
> videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you cant speak to ask
> questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your not allowed
> to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their making this
> really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For
> example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with
> my id and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to
> learn the signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching
> videos, they will be signing to me and I have to guess what their
> trying to convey to me! I understand not wating to use spoken
> language but everyone is learning through their eyes by seeing the
> signs and seeing the book telling them the sign! I have nothing
> telling me anything, no braille book and no way to understand the
> tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me! Any ideas?
> Heather ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steve Jacobson <mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> *To:* NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>
> Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the
> information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
> though there must be something that could be worked out with the
> instructor to signal when you don't get something without
> speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any
> blind person taking a course like this.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>
> >My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions
> or ask
> >about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to
> leave
> >and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three
> times, I
> >am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
> >signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
> >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can
> you use
> >it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
> >tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at
> all. I
> >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
> >teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
> >English!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: RJ Sandefur
> >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
> >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>
>
> >Hay I don't see any problem
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: heather albright
> > To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
> > Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>
>
> > Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I
> cant
> >talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I
> don't get
> >something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I
> won't
> >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they
> said I
> >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am
> blind and
> >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
> >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:45:19 -0700
From: maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit, and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other
things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth. Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,, which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or the professional side?
Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu
On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Heather.
> Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person can read the question/comment and then type their response either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this technology.
> Janice
> On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:
>> I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to
learn the signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me! I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me! Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Steve Jacobson
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>>
>> Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
>> though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor to signal when you don't get something without
>> speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind person taking a course like this.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>>
>> >My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask
>> >about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave
>> >and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I
>> >am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
>> >signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
>> >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you use
>> >it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
>> >tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I
>> >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
>> >teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
>> >English!
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: RJ Sandefur
>> >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>>
>>
>> >Hay I don't see any problem
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: heather albright
>> > To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
>> > Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>>
>>
>> > Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant
>> >talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get
>> >something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't
>> >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I
>> >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and
>> >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
>> >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:45 -0500
From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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No my braille note is about 8 years old and it does not even connect to my
pc that has win7! I wanted a HIMS notetaker but I don't have the funding to
buy one! And there located in Austin just down the road from my house! I
was going to apply for a loan from BNA to get one because, my braillenote is
so old! I do have an eyephone 4s! I think that would help me text better,
sometimes I cant here the text when there is to much noise, even when the
volume is the highest! I heard about the i can connect program, I don't
think I qualify for the program! It sounds like a good program for those
who really need it! I hope the government keeps it up longer than the
trial! Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: Janice Toothman
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Hi Heather.
Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is
or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and
the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I
know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person
can read the question/comment and then type their response either your
Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a
Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this
technology.
Janice
On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:
I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does
not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf
interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the
signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will
tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in
the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to
show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to
be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you
cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your
not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their
making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For
example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id
and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the
signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they
will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me!
I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning
through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the
sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to
understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me!
Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Jacobson
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the
information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
though there must be something that could be worked out with the
instructor to signal when you don't get something without
speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind
person taking a course like this.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or
ask
>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave
>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times,
I
>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you
use
>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all.
I
>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
>English!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: RJ Sandefur
>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>Hay I don't see any problem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: heather albright
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I
cant
>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't
get
>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I
won't
>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they
said I
>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind
and
>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:04:37 -0500
From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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Yes, they said that I have to follow the rules of the lab! They did not
even want me to take the ASL class in the OSD office! I was going to bring
my mom as my reader because DARS is not providing me reader services
because, I already have a degree. But OSD said she could not be my reader
but I don't have the money to hirer one myself without DARS help. I have to
CHOOSE either a reader or an interpreter , I cant have both! I will find
out today! I was taking ASL for myself but it is proving rather stressful
which is not good for my MS! If I have to much stress today, I will have to
drop the course! I cant walk if I get to stresse because my mussles git
really tite and weak! I will try to stay because, I need it for myself and
my tactile interpreters in class are doing there best! Heather -----
Original Message -----
From: maurice mines
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to
watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the
person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit,
and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the
classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to
hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor
agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is
workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a
braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find
someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary
issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think
would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor
needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other
things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth.
Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps
some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on
the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of
these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into
a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services
office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,,
which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or
the professional side?
Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark
County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address,
Maurice.mines at PCC.edu
On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
wrote:
Hi Heather.
Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It
is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker
and the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL
answer. I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the
sight person can read the question/comment and then type their response
either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone
using a Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you
with this technology.
Janice
On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:
I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and
does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two
deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me
the signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will
tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in
the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to
show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to
be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you
cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your
not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their
making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For
example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id
and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the
signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they
will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me!
I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning
through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the
sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to
understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me!
Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Jacobson
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the
information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
though there must be something that could be worked out with the
instructor to signal when you don't get something without
speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind
person taking a course like this.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or
ask
>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to
leave
>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three
times, I
>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all
the
>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can
you use
>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have
two
>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at
all. I
>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach
someone
>English!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: RJ Sandefur
>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>Hay I don't see any problem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: heather albright
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I
cant
>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I
don't get
>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I
won't
>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they
said I
>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind
and
>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:55:34 -0400
From: Scott Davert <scottdavert at gmail.com>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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Hi Heather.
Are you familiar with the Deaf-Blind Equipment Distribution program? I wonder if you may qualify for funding for 1 or both devices through this program.
With your current situation, you could hook the BN up to a moitor and then set it up that way. If the person can type to respond if you connect a USB keyboard to your BN. Then just go into the Word Processor after setting up visual display settings and connecting USB keyboard. Let me know if you need more specific info.
Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:04 PM, "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, they said that I have to follow the rules of the lab! They did not even want me to take the ASL class in the OSD office! I was going to bring my mom as my reader because DARS is not providing me reader services because, I already have a degree. But OSD said she could not be my reader but I don't have the money to hirer one myself without DARS help. I have to CHOOSE either a reader or an interpreter , I cant have both! I will find out today! I was taking ASL for myself but it is proving rather stressful which is not good for my MS! If I have to much stress today, I will have to drop the course! I cant walk if I get to stresse because my mussles git really tite and weak! I will try to stay because, I need it for myself and my tactile interpreters in class are doing there best! Heather ----- Original Message -----
> From: maurice mines
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>
> Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit, and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other
things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth. Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,, which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or the professional side?
>
> Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu
> On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Heather.
>> Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person can read the question/comment and then type their response either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this technology.
>> Janice
>> On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:
>>> I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id and some how find the person to whom I will be working
with to learn the signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me! I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me! Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Steve Jacobson
>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>>>
>>> Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
>>> though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor to signal when you don't get something without
>>> speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind person taking a course like this.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>>>
>>> >My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask
>>> >about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave
>>> >and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I
>>> >am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
>>> >signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
>>> >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you use
>>> >it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
>>> >tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I
>>> >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
>>> >teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
>>> >English!
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: RJ Sandefur
>>> >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>>>
>>>
>>> >Hay I don't see any problem
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: heather albright
>>> > To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
>>> > Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant
>>> >talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get
>>> >something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't
>>> >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I
>>> >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and
>>> >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
>>> >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:32:22 -0400
From: "M Lucca" <lucca.marisa at gmail.com>
To: "'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List'" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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Hello Heather,
I do not believe the ASL Lab is discriminating against you. If you need
clarification, finger spell the word and ask the signer if you were correct.
However, if you do not know the alphabet, you should explain this to the
facilitators and identify some solutions.
Marisa
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant
talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get
something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't
have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I
can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and
if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:37:27 -0400
From: "M Lucca" <lucca.marisa at gmail.com>
To: "'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List'" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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Hello Heather,
I have had similar experiences. I used a tactile interpreter too learn ASL,
and I was forbidden from using my voice to communicate. My solution was to
meet with the instructor one-on-one to learn the signs and hand-shapes, and
then use fingerspelling to ask for clarification.
The key is to find an instructor (or perhaps a student fluent in sign
language) willing to meet with you one-on-one for reasonable support.
Marisa
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:29 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask
about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave
and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I
am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you use
it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I
only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
English!
----- Original Message -----
From: RJ Sandefur <mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Hay I don't see any problem
----- Original Message -----
From: heather albright <mailto:kd5cbl at gmail.com>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant
talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get
something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't
have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I
can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and
if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:04:55 -0400
From: "M Lucca" <lucca.marisa at gmail.com>
To: "'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List'" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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Hello Heather,
Your situation is certainly frustrating. It provides a clear illustration of
ignorance regarding Deaf-Blind needs and reasonable accommodations. We must
keep in mind, though, that advocacy plays a key role in breaking down the
barriers resulting from other's ignorance. One of the important components
of advocacy, in my opinion, is the transformation of ignorance into
understanding, and understanding into knowledge. This process is frustrating
and discouraging, to say the least.
I recommend you write a detailed letter to your instructor expressing the
facts of your situation. For example, you objectively explained you are
required to watch videos from which you must create videos. While you
understand fully the vitality of learning ASL as the language is spoken
(using one's hands), as a person without sight, you are unable to do so. In
order for you to obtain the information needed to successfully complete your
task, you need to verbally communicate with others. Although one may argue
you should use the alphabet to ask for clarification, you could counter with
the fact your peers have access to the visual information needed to
communicate without sight; they can easily iedentify a hand-shape visually,
they can easily review a book for visual clarification, and they can easily
navigate the videos visually. You should emphasize you are not requesting
"special treatment"-you are requesting reasonable accommodations. A written
letter to your instructor will help you develop a strong basis for pursuing
legal representation if your instructor continues to refuse to negotiate
reasonable accommodations.
Also, Heather, if you have access to an office responsible for serving
students with disabilities, you should consult them.
Situations like yours make me frustrated for those Deaf-Blind involved. As a
Deaf-Blind person myself, I know very well the time, energy, and emotional
discipline these situations require. Stay strong and clear head, and never
steer away from the fact.
Best of luck,
Marisa
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:32 AM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does
not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf
interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the
signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will
tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in
the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to
show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to
be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you
cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your
not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their
making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For
example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id
and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the
signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they
will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me!
I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning
through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the
sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to
understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me!
Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Jacobson <mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the
information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor
to signal when you don't get something without
speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind
person taking a course like this.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask
>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave
>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I
>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you
use
>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I
>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
>English!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: RJ Sandefur
>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>Hay I don't see any problem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: heather albright
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant
>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't
get
>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't
>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said
I
>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and
>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:15:04 -0400
From: "M Lucca" <lucca.marisa at gmail.com>
To: "'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List'" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
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Maurice,
You pose an interesting question: student vs. professional. As a Graduate
Assistant at the University of North Florida, and as a Deaf-Blind person
myself, I constantly consider both sides. However, the bottom line is every
student with a disability has a right to reasonable accommodations. The
university's student disability office should be a facilitator of student
disability services; that is, they should help advocate for the
accommodations for which students have a right to request, and they should
have the professionalism to enforce ADA regulations and university policies
regarding student rights. In Heather's situation, I see no excuse for the
instructor's behavior, nor do I see an excuse for the university/college
overall (assuming Heather is attending such an institution).
While both sides may have valid arguments, the bottom line is equal access.
Thus, efforts should be made to provide reasonable accommodations.
Marisa
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of maurice mines
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:45 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to
watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the
person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit,
and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the
classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to
hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor
agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is
workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a
braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find
someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary
issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think
would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor
needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other
things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth.
Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps
some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on
the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of
these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into
a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services
office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,,
which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or
the professional side?
Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark
County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address,
Maurice.mines at PCC.edu
On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
wrote:
Hi Heather.
Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is
or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and
the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I
know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person
can read the question/comment and then type their response either your
Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a
Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this
technology.
Janice
On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:
I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does
not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf
interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the
signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will
tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in
the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to
show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to
be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you
cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your
not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their
making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For
example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id
and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the
signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they
will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me!
I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning
through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the
sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to
understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me!
Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Jacobson <mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the
information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor
to signal when you don't get something without
speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind
person taking a course like this.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:
>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask
>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave
>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I
>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the
>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you
use
>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two
>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I
>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of
>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
>English!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: RJ Sandefur
>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
>Hay I don't see any problem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: heather albright
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM
> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab
> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant
>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't
get
>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't
>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said
I
>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and
>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather
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