[NFB-DB] Family Resources for Learning ASL

Sun Apr 29 00:55:57 UTC 2018

Randy.
If PTASL is called PTASL, it would seem very misleading to think they do not have a lot in common. Where did the PTASL term come from if not from ASL/TASL? My understanding of it is that it is not its entire own language. You have back channel and back back channel and touch signals which can sybolize emotion and things like nodding, but I do not quite understand the rest. they sure charge an arm and leg to go to the place in Seattle to learn it. Do you know of any indviduals who have little to no signing skills at all who are using it successfully?

Thanks!
Scottt

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> On Apr 28, 2018, at 5:46 PM, Janice Toothman via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Randy,
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> Who is the best person to teach PTASL to a DB individual? Particularly, someone like myself, who is totally blind and profoundly deaf (I can still hear some speech with hearing aids and an FM system). 
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> I only know the manual alphabet.  I have difficulty practicing my tactile signing the manual alphabet with other DB or SSP/interpreters because of where I live.  Yet I know that the more I practice the better I will become and I want to talk with other DB as well as prepare myself when my hearing loss deteriorates further.
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> I would love to learn  anything else you would care to share Randy about PTASL.
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> Janice
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>> On 4/28/2018 1:51 PM, Jaye Marie Brown via NFB-DB wrote:
>> OK, I take it TASL is Tactile ASL.  What is PTASL?  P...? Tactile ASL...?
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>> Jaye Marie Brown
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Randy Pope via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>> To: 'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List' <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Randy Pope <rpope1954 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2018 8:02 am
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Family Resources for Learning ASL
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>> Hey Scott!
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>> I accept your challenge in teaching the HOH PTASL.  A few things:
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>> PTASL is not PT and ASL combined.
>> PTASL is not PT and TASL combined.
>> PTASL is not Haptic and ASL combined.
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>> PTASL has its own language structure, apart from ASL.  ASL is a visual language.  PTASL is not but rather depend on touch as the primary senses without using hearing or sight.  TASL is an adaption of ASL but it does not give the DB full access to the language and environmental information needed for true effective communication.  There are some common trait between ASL, TASL and PTASL   What set PTASL apart is PTASL can give us full access to the language, communication and visual information needed through touch or some called tactilely.
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>> Want to know more?  Just ask.
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>> Randy Pope
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>> From: NFB-DB [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Davert via NFB-DB
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 7:33 AM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Cc: Scott Davert
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Family Resources for Learning ASL
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>> I'd like to see them try to work with someone who is HOH, but I highly doubt they could unless that individual already knows ASL. As such, I'm not sure this would be an appropriate recommendation for this situation.
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>> Just my thought,
>> Scott
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Lisa Ferris via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Check out Tactile Communications at https://www.tactilecommunications.org/.
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>> It is ASL based, but uses other tactile cues for Deafblind people. This organization is run by Deafblind leadership. They know what they are doing.
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>> Good luck! 
>> Lisa Ferris
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>> On Apr 23, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Janice Toothman via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Eric,
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>> my name is Janice Toothman.  I have Usher's.  It developed later in life.  I am totally blind.  I use tactile sign.  I fingerspell and use Print on Palm at                                 present, mostly because I don't have ready access to the resources you are seeking for your son.  I have not found a local place to in my state to teach me Tactile ASL even though I live  20 miles                                 from Washington, DC ( home of Gallaudett University or Gally as it is affectionately called).  I couldn't afford to pay the 50 dollars an hour for a private tutor of one of their professors.  Although I have a VR counselor, they don't see it as a hight priority for me even though I am profoundly deaf and am contemplating a CI.  
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>> I am not sure if your earlier post said what state you live in. The American Association of the DeafBlind might know of individuals willing to teach ASL or Universitys that have Deaf studies.  Again I am only thinking of people and interpreters/SSP (support Service Providers that might be willing to help get you started.
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>> These are just my own thoughts as I have struggled personally with this myself.
>> Janice Toothman
>> Second Vice-President
>> National Association of the DeafBlind, A proud Division of the NFB
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>> Learning ASL would would be for you compared to you son.  You son would
>> On 4/23/2018 11:58 AM, Eric V via NFB-DB wrote:
>> Good morning everyone.
>> We had a nice discussion with Danielle over the weekend & while we are going to pursue looking into the CI’s further, we also want to be begin learning ASL. We’ll meet with our district’s DHH team, but beyond our sons, my wife & I obviously want to learn in parallel. Can you share resources & ideas on how to pursue learning ASL & how the process might be different for us given our son’s are totally blind, compared to sighted ASL communication?
>> Thanks
>> Eric
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