[NFB-DB] Fwd: Now Hiring - Please Share

Sheila sheila.leigland at gmail.com
Tue Mar 22 14:31:19 UTC 2022


tracy what is pt and how does it work? I think I remember something like 
that mentioned at hknc bhut some folks were uncomfortable with it

On 3/15/2022 2:43 PM, Tracie Inman via NFB-DB wrote:
> Hello:
>  Please remove the hyphen between the words "Deaf" and "Blind". We no 
> longer use it. We are DeafBlind. A couple of thoughts on your 
> statements come to mind. First, I am a bit offended by your statement 
> of "bringing baggage from my former life" when I became DeafBlind. For 
> me, I was much too young to remember life before becoming DeafBlind, 
> so how could I have "baggage"? One does not carry "baggage" into a 
> disability. Maybe that is your perception, but it is not mine.
>   PT (ProTactile) is itself now a language of the DeafBlind. It is a 
> language unique to the DeafBlind. None of the concepts of PT are 
> "borrowed" from either the ASL or the English languages. It is a 
> language of tactile communication providing visual and auditory 
> information to the DeafBlind.
>   That said, we have not two, not three, but four languages. TASL 
> (Tactile ASL) must also be counted.
>   The DeafBlind world is a "melting pot" of culture, language, and 
> lifestyles unique only to our community. Joe Naulty once explained it 
> this way: (We love you Joe and your unique perceptions are so 
> awesome!) "The DeafBlind community is like a pretzel: there are many 
> parts in the whole pretzel"
>   The challenge we face is full inclusion and integration in our 
> communities.  We have so many barriers to overcome.  We are, in so 
> many ways, a "forgotten" minority.  We face so many isolations and 
> obstacles. Yet, when we come together we are joyful. We can "touch" 
> each other in a positive way to communicate directly with one another 
> in a language that is ours.
>   I believe with all my heart that our community is special. We are 
> unique. We have a lot to give back to society. We show people, and the 
> world around us, that we, too, can live the life we want - with joy, 
> love, and peace - together through touch, through total communication, 
> and through peer support.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tracie
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 4:03 PM Rod and Ele Macdonald via NFB-DB 
> <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>     Hello Scott,
>
>     The situation is not likely to improve much until someone who
>     actually wants "the job" challenges the discriminatory practice.
>
>     The underlying issue is that blind people regard themselves to be
>     part of a community, while Deaf people regard themselves to be
>     part of a culture. There is a big difference. When a blind person
>     or a Deaf person "becomes" deaf-blind, that person brings baggage
>     from their "former life" into a new identity.
>
>     I wrote a paper in 1989 entitled, "Deaf-Blindness: An Emerging
>     Culture?" That paper introduced the "possibility" that a culture
>     unique to deaf-blind people exists, or at least was in the process
>     of developing. "Deaf-Blind Culture" was a controversial topic back
>     then, but it is a cherished belief among many now. The question is
>     - is there a comprehensive culture of deaf-blind people?
>
>     I know of no other culture that has TWO languages - and both
>     English and ASL are not "ours" but are borrowed from hearing
>     people and Deaf people, and that does not even take PT into
>     account. We do not even have a unified means of receiving and
>     expresssing our language, even assuming we came from one sid3e or
>     the other. Braille can be a "natural" means of accessing written
>     information, but ASL does not have a written component and those
>     who grew up relying on visual ASL find it hard to learn or feel
>     comfortable with braille.
>
>     I think that at some point we - us, not professionals who serve
>     our group - need to decide: do we embrace the concept of an
>     umbrella culture we all belong to, a culture with two languages
>     and many, often competing needs? Or are we to go for two separate
>     groups based opon language needs?
>
>     I am wholeheartedly in favor of the "umbrella". I think we are too
>     small a group to divide into sub-groups. I think we share
>     toomuchtogether to focus on how we are different.
>
>     One can be blind and become deaf, and one can be deaf and become
>     blind. The new person ... physically there is no difference, but
>     culturally? The baggage from our "former" life will dictate our
>     outlook, needs and our approach. I am all for an identity that
>     embraces who we have become, and not who we once were.
>
>     Rod
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Scott Davert via NFB-DB  <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>     To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>     CC: scottdavert at gmail.com
>     Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 8:08 am
>     Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Fwd: Now Hiring - Please Share
>
>     >
>     >
>     > Hi Rod.
>     > It's very concerning. Unless PA has another form of service delivery
>     > for those who are "ASL illiterate?" I find the entire thing sad and
>     > agree 100% with your views on this subject. This is a sad example of
>     > how far we have not progressed.
>     >
>     > Scott
>     >
>     > On 3/14/22, Rod and Ele Macdonald via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>     wrote:
>     > Scott,
>     >
>     > You are spot-on in my opinion.
>     >
>     > The deaf-blind "culture" - I introduced this concept over 30
>     years ago and
>     > still believe in it - is the only culture I know of with TWO
>     languages,
>     > neither of which is "ours". (We borrow English from hearing
>     people and ASL
>     > from Deaf people, then try to adapt as best we can.) I believe
>     that any
>     > person who is (1) blind, has low vision, or has tunnel vision
>     AND (2) is
>     > deaf or hard-of-hearing, is a deaf-blind person, and any attempt
>     to provide
>     > services to this group should take into account the needs of the
>     entire
>     > population to be served.
>     >
>     > I would presumably be a consumer of such services if I lived in
>     the service
>     > area, but I neither use ASL nor have usable hearing: What should
>     the hiring
>     > authority put in the job description such that my communication
>     needs are
>     > "covered"?
>     >
>     > It is a challenge, but an issue that should be challenged.
>     >
>     > Rod
>     >
>     > ----- Original Message -----
>     > From: Scott Davert via NFB-DB  <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>     > To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>     > CC: scottdavert at gmail.com
>     > Date: Monday, March 14, 2022 12:52 pm
>     > Subject: [NFB-DB] Fwd: Now Hiring - Please Share
>     >
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Passing along. I noticed there is no mention of the requirement
>     forhard of
>     >> hearing culture and that ASL fluency is required. I guess they
>     only want a
>     >> someone who is DEAF STRONG for this. Maybe my impression is
>     off? I'm
>     >> passing this along as FYI...
>     >>
>     >> Scott
>     >>
>     >> Sent from my iPhone
>     >>
>     >> Begin forwarded message:
>     >>
>     >> From: Richard <prmcgann at comcast.net>
>     >> Date: March 14, 2022 at 10:47:04 EDT
>     >> To: NADBAmericans at groups.io, aadb-l at googlegroups.com,
>     "Professionals
>     >> Serving DeafBlind Consumers (PSDBC)" <psdbc at googlegroups.com>
>     >> Subject: [AADB-L] Fwd: Now Hiring - Please Share
>     >> Reply-To: aadb-l at googlegroups.com
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >> to all,
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> passing around.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     >> Subject:     Now Hiring - Please Share
>     >> Date:        Mon, 14 Mar 2022 10:39:02 -0400
>     >> From:        SSP Program <ssp at deafstone.org>
>     >> To:  SSP Program <ssp at deafstone.org>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Hello!
>     >>
>     >> Please share the following open positions:
>     >>
>     >> * Director of DeafBlind Services - West PA
>     >> * Director of DeafBlind Services - East PA
>     >> * SSP Coordinator - East PA
>     >>
>     >> Job descriptions attached in Word and PDF documents.
>     >>
>     >> Thank you,
>     >> Jessica K Adams, CI & CT
>     >> COO
>     >> Email: JAdams at DeafStone.org
>     >> Phone/Text/FaceTime: 412-616-0400
>     >> Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
>     >>
>     >> www.DeafStone.org <http://www.DeafStone.org>
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