[Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles

River Woman riverwoman at zoominternet.net
Thu Jun 24 12:33:38 UTC 2010 

Thanks Eileen, but I did not think you were giving me a hard time about it. 
I do understand the importance of Braille and the uses for it. But, for me, 
if I know I can never sit down and read a book like I used to do before, I 
would just rather listen to it on tape. Now, I multi-task reading and 
knitting at the same time and I am ok with that for now.
Lynda Lambert
River Road Studio, Since 1976
www.lyndalambert.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles


> Hi Lynda:
>
> I didn't mean to badger you about learning Braille.  I originally thought 
> it was something you did have an interest in learning, but didn't see the 
> sense in learning it.  Often there are stories about people wanting to 
> learn it, but being discouraged away from it by rehab teachers or even 
> school teachers in the case of school aged children, and I just wanted to 
> offer assurances that if it was something you wanted to do you could do it 
> ... especially since you're a knitter.  There is a woman in her 50's in my 
> adjustment to vision loss group that although visually impaired her entire 
> life, only just learned Braille through The Hadley School now that she is 
> totally blind and has a need. Its not an age thing, but it is a personal 
> choice for those who loose vision later in life.  Anyway, by no means did 
> I mean to give you a hard time about it.
>
> Eileen
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:27 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE:  needles
>
>> You have hit it on the head - I see it as being soooooo slow, and that I 
>> would take forever and never be very good at it. I do not enjoy it at all 
>> and at this point in my life I feel like there is no reason I need to do 
>> it. I think to be proficient, meaning that I could stand and give a 
>> lecture using braille, would take many years to achieve. I can't imagine 
>> someone my age really becoming proficient at it.  I can "read" books and 
>> knit at the same time now, and I like that a lot.  I think that if I want 
>> to learn something, it would be to concentrate on a foreign language that 
>> I really want to learn, just for my own satisfaction. Lynda
>> Lynda Lambert
>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>> www.lyndalambert.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marianne Denning" <mdenning at cinci.rr.com>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>
>>
>>> Lynda, I was a rehabilitation teacher before I became a TVI.  Many older 
>>> adults do not learn braille.  This is for several reasons.  It is harder 
>>> to learn new skills as we get older and our fingers lose some of their 
>>> sensativity through the years.  If you were determined to learn braille 
>>> I would tell you to go for it but if you want to focus on other areas 
>>> more I think that is a good idea too.  If you are really interested in 
>>> learning braille there may be a rehabilitation teacher in your area who 
>>> can help you learn it.
>>>
>>> I have been a braille reader too and could not live without it but I 
>>> understand your feelings too.
>>> Marianne Denning
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am laughing - probably so.
>>>>
>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Zimmer, Cindy" <cindy.zimmer at nebraska.gov>
>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking Sahar is gonna have some words of wisdom for you again. 
>>>>> *grin
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Zimmer
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River 
>>>>> Woman
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:00 PM
>>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I was sighted until I was 64 years old, Braille is really not so
>>>>> appealing to me. I am sure if I learned it as a child, that would be 
>>>>> very
>>>>> different. Right now, I want to do things in theleast amount of time
>>>>> possible, and I can see that really learning Braille would take so 
>>>>> much
>>>>> time, and at my age, it is just so much more efficient to use 
>>>>> technology for
>>>>> everything. I am almost 67 now, so have had to learn so much in a 
>>>>> short
>>>>> time, I just decided not to do this. Lynda
>>>>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>>>>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you ever think of a note taker.  Then you would have voice and
>>>>>> refreshable braille.  The braille is more distinct than regular 
>>>>>> braille.
>>>>>> If you were in dought of a symbol, you could check it with the 
>>>>>> speech. I
>>>>>> have been reading braille since second grade and do not know where I 
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be with out it.  I love braille.
>>>>>> I have my helmit pattern on the computer and one embossed copy at 
>>>>>> home.
>>>>>> If the braille copy gets lost or damaged, I can emboss another copy 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> follow.
>>>>>> It is only recently, I am learning to emboss, and I love it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terry P.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: slery [mailto:slerythema at insightbb.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:09 PM
>>>>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, Lynda. Braille works amazingly well with electronics. As a very 
>>>>>> visual
>>>>>> learner, I find it so much easier to "read" something in braille that 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> need to know specifics on than it is to listen to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I currently braille out my patterns for knitting. I cut apart each of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> lines and keep them on a ring that I can flip through. A paper clip 
>>>>>> marks
>>>>>> which line I am on in case I drop them or they flip around in my bag.
>>>>>> Personally, I would go crazy if I had to knit listening to an audio
>>>>>> version of the pattern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River
>>>>>>> Woman
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eileen,
>>>>>>> Mostly, it is when I have dropped a stitch that I get messed up and
>>>>>>> have not been able to recover it. Then, I take it to the gym where 
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> friend fixes it for me. I do want to be able to do this again by
>>>>>>> myself. I gave up on Braille as I just do not see it as something 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I need to do. I learned the alpahabet and then took course 1 through
>>>>>>> Hadley, and then into course 2 decided it was a waste of my time 
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> I do everything with electronics. Lynda Lynda Lambert River Road
>>>>>>> Studio, Since
>>>>>>> 1976 www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >I had partial sight for a very long time, but I was never
>>>>>>> able to see
>>>>>>> >well  enough to see knitting when I learned it -- so I guess
>>>>>>> I got used to using
>>>>>>> > touch to know what I was doing.   If you practice, it isn't
>>>>>>> hard to feel
>>>>>>> > what is going on.  I consider myself very visual as I visualize 
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > stitches in my mind, but I identify them by touch.
>>>>>>> > I'm sure you can do it it (I'm a lousy braille reader, and
>>>>>>> I have a hard
>>>>>>> > time identify tactile graphics and pictures, but with
>>>>>>> knitting, I know
>>>>>>> > what
>>>>>>> > it is supposed to look like, and so it isn't hard to find
>>>>>>> where I am and
>>>>>>> > what needs to be done.)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Happy krafting.
>>>>>>> > --le
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi Eileen,
>>>>>>> > I have been an avid knitter for many years, since about 8
>>>>>>> years old.
>>>>>>> > But since my sight loss, I have not ventured into the hard
>>>>>>> stuff, as I
>>>>>>> > do not know how to FIX a mistake and have to take it to a
>>>>>>> friend for
>>>>>>> > help. Before , I used to be able to fix most anyting, but
>>>>>>> not now. So,
>>>>>>> > I need to begin to be more adventurous and this will get me going.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I live in a rural area, no local yarn shops - closest one
>>>>>>> is 30 miles
>>>>>>> > away.
>>>>>>> > I will probably order one on line.
>>>>>>> > Do you have a date for the class - so I can put it on my
>>>>>>> calendar. And, if
>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>> > need to do anything before the class to be prepared, please
>>>>>>> let me know.
>>>>>>> > When will we sign up for the class, do you know?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Lynda
>>>>>>> > Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>> > River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>>>>> > www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> > From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:11 PM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Lynda:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> You can sometimes get the size 000 needles at local yarn
>>>>>>> shops, but
>>>>>>> >> they might have to special order them for you.  They are
>>>>>>> used mostly
>>>>>>> >> for lace knitting and with very fine yarn so I suppose
>>>>>>> this frightens
>>>>>>> >> a lot of people away from them.  I suppose to that since they
>>>>>>> >> probably aren't huge sellers yarn shops don't normaly
>>>>>>> stock them.  If
>>>>>>> >> your local yarn shop can't get them then go through
>>>>>>> Pattern Works.
>>>>>>> >> We will not actually be knitting with them, but I find
>>>>>>> them to be a
>>>>>>> >> useful tool in a number of ways.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Eileen
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> >> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 AM
>>>>>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>>>> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> Size 000, OH My Word!  That is downright frightening. I am up 
>>>>>>> >>> for
>>>>>>> >>> it...haha. Will get the needls and thatns for the heads up in
>>>>>>> >>> advance. Lynda
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>>>> >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>>>>> >>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>>>>> >>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM
>>>>>>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>>I know I am jumping the gun here, but Eileen is giving a class 
>>>>>>> >>>>in
>>>>>>> >>>>September  on how to do a life line.  Patternworks does have the
>>>>>>> >>>>needle she is  suggesting and I thought if anyone was
>>>>>>> poking around
>>>>>>> >>>>a yarn shop this  summer and
>>>>>>> >>>> wanted to check picking one of these up I would give you
>>>>>>> the info:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Abbey 40 inch circular needle size 000   price is: $18
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Joyce  Kane
>>>>>>> >>>> www.KraftersKorner.org  (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>>>>>> >>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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