[Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking

Marianne Denning mdenning at cinci.rr.com
Sat Jun 26 13:27:18 UTC 2010


I know that in theory but wen I am actually writing it I focus so hard on 
the writing that it goes right out of my head.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sahar Husseini" <sahar at inebraska.com>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking


> Marianne,
>
> The reason so many people have trouble confusing letters on the slate is 
> because they think they need to reverse and write backwards.  I know 
> because I was one of those people.  I had to change the way I think about 
> it.  You see, having learned Braille as a child, I didn't learn by dots, 
> but by shapes.  It's hard to explain.  I didn't start thinking in dots 
> until I had to teach Braille.  Then, I had to totally change the way I 
> thought, and it took a while to change a lifelong pattern.  All you have 
> to remember when you write is the following:
> When you write, you start on the right, and 1 2 3 are on the right. 
> Having said that, once you know your dots, when you think of the D or F, 
> don't think of the shape.  D is always 1 4 5 whether you're reading or 
> writing it.  The difference is that when you write, 1 2 3 are on the 
> right.  Hope that makes sense.  In the middle of writing this, I realized 
> how off topic it is, but I just couldn't make myself not send it.  *smile* 
> You know what they say:  It is easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to 
> ask for permission.  Everyone now can yell at me.
>
> Warm regards,
> Sahar Husseini
> For hand-crafted, one-of-a-kind jewelry, Please visit my Website at
> www.saharscreations.com
> And remember, "Obstacles don't have to stop you.
> If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up.
> Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it."
> Michael Jordan
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Marianne Denning
>  To: List for blind crafters and artists
>  Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:01 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking
>
>
>  It is only when I use a slate and styllus that I get them confused.  I 
> was
>  very stubborn and wouldn't work on learning to use it when I was young. 
> I
>  learned to read braille before I learned to write it and then I focused 
> on
>  the brailler more than the slate and styllus.
>
>  Marianne Denning
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
>  To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>  Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:43 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking
>
>
>  >D and F I don't have trouble with as the F sort of has the same shape as 
> a
>  > capital print F and the D the top of a capital print D.  The I and E
>  > though....I am forever mixing them up.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Dixie
>  >
>  > ~ @-> ~ <-@ ~
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>  > [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of qubit
>  > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:13 PM
>  > To: List for blind crafters and artists
>  > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking
>  >
>  > I think of it this way -- for remembering "of" and "with" in braille --
>  > The computer braille meaning of those symbols is open paren and close
>  > paren.
>  >
>  > So think, open paren is "of" and close paren is "with", and you can
>  > remember
>  >
>  > which comes first by alphabetical order.
>  > You know, I get d and f mixed up too, or at least I used to.  Think of 
> the
>  > forward pointing one being f for forward, and also the lower cell 
> version
>  > is
>  >
>  > the exclamation point.  They are also numbers 4 and 6.  I still have to
>  > stop
>  >
>  > and think when I'm brailling my credit cards with those numbers.  e and 
> i
>  > also can be a pain.
>  > --le
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>  > From: "Marianne Denning" <mdenning at cinci.rr.com>
>  > To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>  > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:09 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking
>  >
>  >
>  > I have been a braille reader since I was 11 and read it very well but 
> when
>  > I
>  > use a slate and styllus I really have to think about the letters "d" 
> and
>  > "f"
>  > and the contractions for the words "of" and "with."  It amazes me wen I
>  > have
>  > that problem.
>  >
>  > Marianne Denning
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>  > From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
>  > To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>  > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>  > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:55 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking
>  >
>  >
>  >>I am taking Hadley lessons for Braille writing right now.  My next 
> class I
>  >> think is for grade 2.  I remember the contracted letters like ing, and
>  >> for
>  >> and things like that.  It is the contracted words like cd for could 
> that
>  >> make me a bit nuts!  Some day it will sink into this very thick head 
> of
>  >> mine.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> I was just thinking of reading a brailed pattern line by line.   I 
> think
>  >> it
>  >> might be possible for me to keep track of what row I am on better 
> using
>  >> Braille?  I could do this  by marking the line.  Maybe by punching an
>  >> earring through at the row I am on, or clipping a safety pin to the 
> page
>  >> or
>  >> something like that.
>  >> .  I will have to write out a pattern for myself sometime and see how 
> it
>  >> works for me.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Dixie
>  >>
>  >> ~ @-> ~ <-@ ~
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> -----Original Message-----
>  >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>  >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eileen
>  >> Scrivani
>  >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:21 PM
>  >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>  >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking
>  >>
>  >> Dixie:
>  >>
>  >> I'm not a speed  reader by any means nor have I ever been.  I am 
> however,
>  >> an
>  >>
>  >> accurate reader which is more important than speed.  I love listening 
> to
>  >> my
>  >> audio books, but there is for certain things nothing like Braille. 
> Even
>  >> for
>  >>
>  >> labeling every thing from mail, cd's, yarn & other bead supplies 
> knowing
>  >> grade 2 Braille is a benefit since by contracting you can reduce the
>  >> amount
>  >> of writing space to make notes on things.  Then to I get bills like my
>  >> phone
>  >>
>  >> & water bills in Braille & my bank statements as well.
>  >>
>  >> Eileen
>  >>
>  >> --------------------------------------------------
>  >> From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
>  >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:53 PM
>  >> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>  >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>  >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking
>  >>
>  >>> As a person with fairly recent  sight loss, I use Braille 
> occasionally.
>  >>> I
>  >>> learned grade 1 right after losing my sight, 6 years ago, but grade 2
>  >>> was
>  >>> a
>  >>> struggle.  I have labeled my spices, some light switches for the 
> outside
>  >>> lights, some bottles in the bathroom, where I don't want my ID mate 
> to
>  >>> be
>  >>> exposed to the moisture, and those kinds of things.  Other than that 
> I
>  >>> count
>  >>> on my ID Mate for most identification of household cleaners, pantry
>  >>> items
>  >>> and that kind of thing.  I have started taking Braille courses again
>  >>> from
>  >>> Hadley.  I say I read at a second grade level.  Painfully slowly, one
>  >>> word
>  >>> at a time, but it is reading.  I have to say when someone said that I
>  >>> was
>  >>> illiterate since I could no longer read for myself, I have to admit I
>  >>> was
>  >>> a
>  >>> bit indignant.
>  >>>
>  >>> I hope to be able to use Braille more efficiently, the idea of 
> labeling
>  >>> my
>  >>> yarn is a definite hope.  Braille numbers on my bead bottles 
> certainly
>  >>> is
>  >>> a
>  >>> valuable use of Braille, but for reading, I count on my Jaws to 
> jabber
>  >>> at
>  >>> me.  I can much more efficiently find information in my computer than
>  >>> rifling through a bunch of Brailed papers.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Dixie
>  >>>
>  >>> ~ @-> ~ <-@ ~
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> -----Original Message-----
>  >>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>  >>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>  >>> Blindhands at aol.com
>  >>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:01 PM
>  >>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>  >>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille verses talking
>  >>>
>  >>> I prefer to listen to a pattern directions on my computer in a doc
>  >>> file.
>  >>> That way I can listen word by word, immediately put a note in it or
>  >>> mark
>  >>> an
>  >>>
>  >>> X where I am if the phone rings or I stop.  I save the doc file as  a
>  >>> separate file from my original one and entitle the file as working on
>  >>> sweater, ,
>  >>> etc.
>  >>>
>  >>> To each their own way.
>  >>>
>  >>> Joyce  Kane
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