[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

slery slerythema at insightbb.com
Fri Jan 7 17:56:35 UTC 2011 

Thank you so much, Lynda.

Joyce simply asked about times so that in the future we could look to try
and fill those hours. Our overseas members are the ones that really have a
hard time working in class times. If there are enough people to fill a class
at a time that would be more convenient for them, it would be great to have
a teacher that is able to do that time. There is absolutely nothing wrong
with collecting what are possible good times for people and when a class
proposal comes in to see if it would first work in a time that is not
currently being met. All an instructor has to do is say "no, I can't work in
that time" and then move on.

I think some listservs need to provide a dictionary definition of the word
"discuss" and "suggest" before starting some topics.

Cindy S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> River Woman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:00 AM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> 
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly with you, Audrey. I am trying to 
> figure out how this 
> all began. Seems like all of a sudden there are people 
> complaining about the 
> time of the classes, then suddenly it seems to turn into a frenzy.
> 
> I say, Joyce and the teachers set the time and day of the 
> classes, and the 
> rest of us figure out if we are willing to either miss a few 
> minutes of 
> "dinner" , or stay up later than we like, etc. This is 
> rediculous, in my 
> opinion.
> 
> I taught college classes for many years. The schedule for the 
> classes was 
> set by ME, and it was up to the students to figure out how 
> they would get 
> there and if they wanted to miss out on breakfast to be in my 
> 8:15 am class, 
> or go home late at night after my 8:30 pm classes.
> Either you want to take the class and can figure out your own 
> scedule to do 
> it, or you don't.
> 
> I very much appreciate all the classes I have taken thus far. 
> The teachers 
> are dedicated, kind, and very willing to help work through 
> till we all "get 
> it." Let's just keep it that way!
> 
> Lynda River Woman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "AUDREY WELLNER" <rencraft at snet.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> 
> 
> Eileen,
> I also have been reading the comments on this thread 
> concerning the time 
> constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily. 
> I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership for 
> unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in 
> your PJ's, put 
> your finger in the dial and call in an get instructions from 
> a teacher who 
> understands your special challenges in crafting, they also 
> spend hours 
> making sure their instructions are clearly understood, give 
> you a back up 
> MP3 copy of the class and sometimes also makes time for 
> additional questions 
> and then she shouldn't have the choice of determining when 
> it's convenient 
> for her to conduct the class! The excuses and reasons are a 
> little unclear 
> here.
> No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was 
> inconvenient 
> for me to almost kill myself driving through snow laden 
> streets to get to 
> class on the time it was scheduled. Never in mind of sitting home and 
> dialing in or whether I had to pick up my child, cook my 
> dinner (many nights 
> of which I went without between work and night classes) to 
> make sure I made 
> it on time, even if they were art or leisure classes. I would 
> have never 
> thought of asking my teacher to meet my schedule, especially 
> if they were 
> doing it on a volunteer basis.
> When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule 
> for night 
> school classes, we prepared our community night school 
> calendars six months 
> in advance for classes. The time slots were filled and both 
> teachers and 
> students had to prepare for the particular time that was set 
> aside. Here 
> Joyce is working with a calendar and times where she is trying to 
> accommodate everyone's schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time 
> difference, not just one time zone and trying to find a time 
> convenient for 
> most people. As Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from 
> leadership."
> 
> I have been following all the interesting comments about time 
> for lessons, and really do not know how you can please 
> everyone, the hard decisions have to come from leadership. I 
> can do about every time frame, days are difficult as now new 
> year training like Freedom Science if, computer training. 
> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan 
> for it. Terry K
> 
> It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really 
> feel sorry for 
> those who are in the far reaches of our nation and overseas. 
> I'm sure as we 
> go forward Joyce and the board will try to make some additional 
> arrangements. But please try to understand and be considerate of our 
> volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just request their 
> recordings without 
> making an effort to give them the courtesy of attending their 
> classes. Your 
> individual question can not be properly addressed by a recording.
> 
> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
> Krafters Korner, division
> 
> 
> My goodness......me, me, me
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
> 
> 
> 
> My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and 
> times but there 
> are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever 
> reason. That is an 
> individual's choice as to how they spend their time and work 
> out issues in 
> life. I have a life, family and husband to along with 
> houshold duties & 
> responsibilities that need tending to just as others do. When 
> a class is 
> offered I can either make the time and clear my schedule for 
> 1 or two hours 
> (not a huge amount of time) or I can choose to not take the 
> class. I would 
> not make everyone else alter classes to accomodate my 
> individual issues.
> 
> As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I 
> don't want to 
> teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a 
> lot of time & 
> effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a topic 
> to just be 
> handed out to people who haven't made the effort to attend 
> and participate 
> with the rest of the people in a class.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> 
> > I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what 
> works for 
> > an
> > instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
> > For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take 
> classes it is 
> > dinner hour and I have a family to think of and homework 
> with young kids 
> > so should I not be allowed to benefit because of 
> responsibilities like 
> > this?
> > I think if a person could check in and get the recordings 
> later or if two 
> > times were available that would be helpful.
> > Lovette
> > At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
> >> Terry:
> >>
> >> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement. It is impossible to meet
> >> everyone's needs. Anytime I have taken classes I arranged 
> my schedule 
> >> acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to 
> go through 
> >> changes to make it just so for me. When you want to learn 
> or do something 
> >> its up to the individual to make it happen for themselves.
> >>
> >> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or Sundays
> >> either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make 
> a 1 or 2 hour 
> >> opening for a weekend. That says to me they did not want 
> to do it all 
> >> that badly. Everyone has other things going on in their 
> lives including 
> >> the people teaching so let's be reasonable about the time slots.
> >>
> >> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out 
> recordings to people 
> >> who
> >> will not take the time to participate with the group or 
> phone chats or 
> >> phone classes. Just giving out the recordings without 
> attendance will 
> >> ruin the workings of how classes work. We all learn from 
> others questions 
> >> and input during the classes. Attendance is what makes the 
> group and 
> >> classes enjoyable. I don't want to sit and lecture at a 
> recording machine 
> >> with no living being on the other end.
> >>
> >> Eileen
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> >>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time for
> >>> lessons,
> >>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the 
> hard decisions 
> >>> have
> >>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days are 
> >>> difficult
> >>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, 
> computer training.
> >>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
> >>>
> >>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before. 
> >>> Terry P,
> >>> do
> >>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
> >>>
> >>> Terry K
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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