[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

Eileen Scrivani etscrivani at verizon.net
Fri Jan 7 21:34:15 UTC 2011 

Hi Laurie:

I appreciate your comments, but why can't the president make a clear & 
public statement about who owns the recordings?  Why was the issue of having 
to archive them made such a big deal out of?  Why do two or three years of 
class recordings have to be kept/archived by the NFB if they have no 
intention of using them after they are sent to those students that have 
attended classes?

Once I have recordings on my hard drive I can easily backup or copy to cd. 
No need for NFB top hold onto my stuff or anyone else's for that matter. 
Anyone of use can set up a free conference service that makes recording easy 
then the individual would maintain their own materials if they so choose. I

The issue came up and if I have reasonable well-founded questions to ask I 
can expect an honest answer -- I've asked but still have not gotten a 
reasonable lawful answer.  By saying this has been blown out of proportion 
demeans an important question and the laws.

Eileen


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From: "Laurie Porter" <freespirit1 at tds.net>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:42 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

> I think the claim to ownership of any materials and selling them without 
> permission was blown way out of proportion. There was merely a suggestion 
> that we make the recorded classes available for sale to those who do not 
> are unable to attend the classes with the funds going to the teachers. 
> this was also discussed in line with the possibility of charging students 
> a small fee for the classes be they attended or recorded. We wouldn't just 
> do it without permission from the teacher adn the organization would 
> provide the support in their preparation and distribution.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>
>
>> Lynda:
>>
>> God Bless You & thank you for your expertese on this issue.
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:10 PM
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>>> My background is in teaching on the college/university level. I can tell 
>>> you for sure that none of my lectures or any handouts I made for my 
>>> students can be given out by the college that has paid me to develop 
>>> this intellectual material. It is mine alone. No other person or 
>>> authority has any rights to use it in any way regardless of how much 
>>> money we earn for our teaching.
>>>
>>> The same should hold ture for anyone who has voluntarily taught classes.
>>>
>>> My lectures were voice recorded, and video recorded, by my permission, 
>>> and were available to students who had missed a class. But, I never had 
>>> to do that, was not required to do it. It was my choice. And, certainly 
>>> my materials were not available to anyone in any form without my 
>>> permission. I would never have given any of my materials to anyone who 
>>> had not taken my class, under any circumstances.
>>>
>>> Eileen has every right to decide who gets her information and it cannot 
>>> be done without her permission, legally.
>>>
>>> Never at any time in my teaching career did anyone else decide when my 
>>> classes were offered. It was solely my choice and I did it to suit my 
>>> own schedule.  Just wanted to clarify my own experience and I taught at 
>>> three different kinds of institutions: community college; private 
>>> college; and large state university.  At none of them did anyone but me 
>>> decide my schedule nor use my materials without my concent and 
>>> permission.  It is just not done!
>>>
>>> Lynd River Woman
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:05 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cindy:
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the ownership of the recorded materials that is not a board's 
>>>> decision to make.  It will be determined through the copyright, and 
>>>> ownership laws of the U.S.  It is much larger than the control of the 
>>>> board of this division.  And as a blind crafts person, in the way this 
>>>> episode has been handled by a so called "creative/artistic" group that 
>>>> is supposed to support the blind craftsperson & artist, you are ripping 
>>>> off the blind individual and stealing materials that do not belong to 
>>>> the division, but that have been developed and presented by a blind 
>>>> individual.
>>>>
>>>> Eileen
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
>>>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>
>>>>> Eileen,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. However, I want to 
>>>>> assure
>>>>> you that your questions and complaints have not fallen on deaf ears. 
>>>>> As you
>>>>> stated, the leadership needs to make the final decision. Until that 
>>>>> decision
>>>>> is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not meet daily 
>>>>> or
>>>>> weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the instructors, you 
>>>>> are
>>>>> only one instructor and we want to know why the other instructors or
>>>>> potential instructors are not joining the discussion because it 
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> matter what time students would like classes if there are no 
>>>>> instructors
>>>>> available to teach them at alternate times.
>>>>>
>>>>> This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership and create 
>>>>> a
>>>>> list of times that we might be able to fill in the future. No one on 
>>>>> the
>>>>> board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor to find a way 
>>>>> to fill
>>>>> all of these times. You have been a great instructor and provided a 
>>>>> valuable
>>>>> resource to this division. There have been many students that have 
>>>>> benefited
>>>>> from your classes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy S.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Eileen Scrivani
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>>>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joyce:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am
>>>>>> an instructor
>>>>>> who has posted thoughts on the subject of class recordings,
>>>>>> but my messages
>>>>>> to the divison leadeership has fallen on deaf ears.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>>>>>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can reply to the
>>>>>> > emails.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>>>>>> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>>>>>> Division I
>>>>>> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>>>>>> but around
>>>>>> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>>>>>> Krafters Korner
>>>>>> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and teach each
>>>>>> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>>>>>> classes at
>>>>>> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>>>>>> doing these
>>>>>> > classes, recording them and having students interact live with the
>>>>>> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>>>>>> do this at
>>>>>> > different times to
>>>>>> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>>>>>> friends in
>>>>>> > India,
>>>>>> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>>>>>> would love to
>>>>>> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>>>>>> each one of
>>>>>> > you to
>>>>>> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>>>>>> Korner and if one
>>>>>> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>>>>>> you to please
>>>>>> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>>>>>> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>>>>>> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>>>>>> being made
>>>>>> > from
>>>>>> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to hear from the
>>>>>> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>>>>>> different time zones
>>>>>> > and maybe
>>>>>> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>>>>>> classes.  I need
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> > hear  from the teachers.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The question has been brought up why and who picked classes to be
>>>>>> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>>>>>> first started
>>>>>> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the East coast
>>>>>> > and Central time
>>>>>> > zone.  Laurie Porter did our first class and it was a
>>>>>> beading class.   I
>>>>>> > had
>>>>>> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>>>>>> week would
>>>>>> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try classes on the
>>>>>> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the evening during
>>>>>> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the evening
>>>>>> > during the week.  When classes
>>>>>> > began we would maybe have 3or 4 and maybe 5 people at a
>>>>>> class.   That did
>>>>>> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>>>>>> the  attendence
>>>>>> > of a
>>>>>> > class.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>>>>>> develop this
>>>>>> > further.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Joyce  Kane
>>>>>> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
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