[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

Laurie Porter freespirit1 at tds.net
Fri Jan 7 23:59:56 UTC 2011 

the nFB has no archives of the recordings nor has the nFB ever laid claim to 
any of the recordings.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times


> Hi Laurie:
>
> I appreciate your comments, but why can't the president make a clear & 
> public statement about who owns the recordings?  Why was the issue of 
> having to archive them made such a big deal out of?  Why do two or three 
> years of class recordings have to be kept/archived by the NFB if they have 
> no intention of using them after they are sent to those students that have 
> attended classes?
>
> Once I have recordings on my hard drive I can easily backup or copy to cd. 
> No need for NFB top hold onto my stuff or anyone else's for that matter. 
> Anyone of use can set up a free conference service that makes recording 
> easy then the individual would maintain their own materials if they so 
> choose. I
>
> The issue came up and if I have reasonable well-founded questions to ask I 
> can expect an honest answer -- I've asked but still have not gotten a 
> reasonable lawful answer.  By saying this has been blown out of proportion 
> demeans an important question and the laws.
>
> Eileen
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Laurie Porter" <freespirit1 at tds.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:42 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>
>> I think the claim to ownership of any materials and selling them without 
>> permission was blown way out of proportion. There was merely a suggestion 
>> that we make the recorded classes available for sale to those who do not 
>> are unable to attend the classes with the funds going to the teachers. 
>> this was also discussed in line with the possibility of charging students 
>> a small fee for the classes be they attended or recorded. We wouldn't 
>> just do it without permission from the teacher adn the organization would 
>> provide the support in their preparation and distribution.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>>
>>> Lynda:
>>>
>>> God Bless You & thank you for your expertese on this issue.
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:10 PM
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>
>>>> My background is in teaching on the college/university level. I can 
>>>> tell you for sure that none of my lectures or any handouts I made for 
>>>> my students can be given out by the college that has paid me to develop 
>>>> this intellectual material. It is mine alone. No other person or 
>>>> authority has any rights to use it in any way regardless of how much 
>>>> money we earn for our teaching.
>>>>
>>>> The same should hold ture for anyone who has voluntarily taught 
>>>> classes.
>>>>
>>>> My lectures were voice recorded, and video recorded, by my permission, 
>>>> and were available to students who had missed a class. But, I never had 
>>>> to do that, was not required to do it. It was my choice. And, certainly 
>>>> my materials were not available to anyone in any form without my 
>>>> permission. I would never have given any of my materials to anyone who 
>>>> had not taken my class, under any circumstances.
>>>>
>>>> Eileen has every right to decide who gets her information and it cannot 
>>>> be done without her permission, legally.
>>>>
>>>> Never at any time in my teaching career did anyone else decide when my 
>>>> classes were offered. It was solely my choice and I did it to suit my 
>>>> own schedule.  Just wanted to clarify my own experience and I taught at 
>>>> three different kinds of institutions: community college; private 
>>>> college; and large state university.  At none of them did anyone but me 
>>>> decide my schedule nor use my materials without my concent and 
>>>> permission.  It is just not done!
>>>>
>>>> Lynd River Woman
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:05 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cindy:
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the ownership of the recorded materials that is not a 
>>>>> board's decision to make.  It will be determined through the 
>>>>> copyright, and ownership laws of the U.S.  It is much larger than the 
>>>>> control of the board of this division.  And as a blind crafts person, 
>>>>> in the way this episode has been handled by a so called 
>>>>> "creative/artistic" group that is supposed to support the blind 
>>>>> craftsperson & artist, you are ripping off the blind individual and 
>>>>> stealing materials that do not belong to the division, but that have 
>>>>> been developed and presented by a blind individual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eileen
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
>>>>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eileen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. However, I want to 
>>>>>> assure
>>>>>> you that your questions and complaints have not fallen on deaf ears. 
>>>>>> As you
>>>>>> stated, the leadership needs to make the final decision. Until that 
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>> is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not meet daily 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the instructors, you 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> only one instructor and we want to know why the other instructors or
>>>>>> potential instructors are not joining the discussion because it 
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> matter what time students would like classes if there are no 
>>>>>> instructors
>>>>>> available to teach them at alternate times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership and 
>>>>>> create a
>>>>>> list of times that we might be able to fill in the future. No one on 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor to find a way 
>>>>>> to fill
>>>>>> all of these times. You have been a great instructor and provided a 
>>>>>> valuable
>>>>>> resource to this division. There have been many students that have 
>>>>>> benefited
>>>>>> from your classes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Eileen Scrivani
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>>>>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joyce:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am
>>>>>>> an instructor
>>>>>>> who has posted thoughts on the subject of class recordings,
>>>>>>> but my messages
>>>>>>> to the divison leadeership has fallen on deaf ears.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>>>>>>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can reply to the
>>>>>>> > emails.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>>>>>>> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>>>>>>> Division I
>>>>>>> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>>>>>>> but around
>>>>>>> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>>>>>>> Krafters Korner
>>>>>>> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and teach each
>>>>>>> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>>>>>>> classes at
>>>>>>> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>>>>>>> doing these
>>>>>>> > classes, recording them and having students interact live with the
>>>>>>> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>>>>>>> do this at
>>>>>>> > different times to
>>>>>>> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>>>>>>> friends in
>>>>>>> > India,
>>>>>>> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>>>>>>> would love to
>>>>>>> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>>>>>>> each one of
>>>>>>> > you to
>>>>>>> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>>>>>>> Korner and if one
>>>>>>> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>>>>>>> you to please
>>>>>>> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>>>>>>> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>>>>>>> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>>>>>>> being made
>>>>>>> > from
>>>>>>> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to hear from the
>>>>>>> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>>>>>>> different time zones
>>>>>>> > and maybe
>>>>>>> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>>>>>>> classes.  I need
>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> > hear  from the teachers.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The question has been brought up why and who picked classes to be
>>>>>>> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>>>>>>> first started
>>>>>>> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the East 
>>>>>>> > coast
>>>>>>> > and Central time
>>>>>>> > zone.  Laurie Porter did our first class and it was a
>>>>>>> beading class.   I
>>>>>>> > had
>>>>>>> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>>>>>>> week would
>>>>>>> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try classes on the
>>>>>>> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the evening 
>>>>>>> > during
>>>>>>> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the evening
>>>>>>> > during the week.  When classes
>>>>>>> > began we would maybe have 3or 4 and maybe 5 people at a
>>>>>>> class.   That did
>>>>>>> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>>>>>>> the  attendence
>>>>>>> > of a
>>>>>>> > class.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>>>>>>> develop this
>>>>>>> > further.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Joyce  Kane
>>>>>>> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
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