[Nfb-krafters-korner] Comment here

Tue Feb 25 09:46:47 UTC 2014

>From a legal stand point, you cannot take student ideas and just use them
without their names.

The only way a recording could be legally made is if it was not an actual
class with live students. It would have to be recorded specifically for the
purpose of selling and involve a lot of legal contracts. Think of
commercials where you someone walking down a street asking people questions,
those are not real people, they are paid actors pretending to walk down the
street and let the person interview them.

Cindy S.
PS Please let's drop the issue of recordings or take it off-list.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:41 AM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Comment here
> 
> Hi Maria, I drafted the below post this morning, we must have been on a
> similar mind thought, anyway, now I've read your post, I'll send the below
in,
> just it is just an idea. Valerie
> 
> Hi, I was thinking today about the availability of lessons and the recent
> discussion of recordings. As an alternative, and this is probably a very
vague,
> not will thought out idea, but I'll send it along anyway, what if email
classes
> were available in some sort of format, creating a library of projects? I
know
> many take advantage of email classes already, but some classes are close
> together, so we might choose not take part in an extra class if that were
the
> case. Also the email classes are clear and concise, but perhaps added to
the
> actual class instructions, could any extras, students have brought up
during
> the class be added, no names, just the added extra info.  Having a library
of
> projects could mean thee classes could be bought by anyone at any time
> and students take them at their leisure. I am not highly techie, but think
this
> would add to funds, and over time the library would grow. Though we have
> email classes, creating a library of these projects in formats suitable,
makes
> them very accessible to a lot of people, not sure if email classes could
be
> recorded, but that might get around the privacy issue if teachers were
> agreeable. I'm new, not really sure about exactly how things run, so none
of
> this might be appropriate or workable, so forgive my rambling thoughts.
> Cheers. Valerie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of slery
> Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2014 3:03 PM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Comment here
> 
> Man, I know I am behind in emails, but had no idea the discussion about
> dues ever came from a discussion of resources on our website. From what I
> saw, the mention of classes only came from a justification for raising
dues.
> We all know how much we get out of our classes and they are "worth" far
> more than what we actually pay for them.
> 
> You can rest assure that there will be no selling of recordings from a
general
> class. Something special would have to be set up in order to have
recordings
> that would be worth selling, I know I wouldn't want to pay for a recording
to
> have to listen to class participants. If there were recordings that were
made
> in a teacher/student format it would have to be with a pretend student to
> make it into a comprehensive recording worth selling.
> 
> To my knowledge, no one is making recordings to sell. What teachers do
> outside of our division or class setting has nothing to do with us.
> 
> I really hope this discussion of recordings is dropped. The members of
this
> division voted some time ago not to have recordings. Teachers conduct
> their classes as they see appropriate. If you take class materials that
are not
> your intellectual property and make money without legal written permission
> of the person that created it, you can be sued for damages by the person
> that created the material.
> 
> Happily done to 2736 unread messages on this list (don't ask, it was a
gmail
> filtering snafu).
> Cindy S.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-
> > bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:14 PM
> > To: List for blind crafters and artists
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Comment here
> >
> > Joyce,
> > good points. I wondered that too. I think that when someone suggested
> > raising dues to pay for membership and other expenses, others jumped
> > in about classes. Good points; the classes aren't recorded and plans
> > are not
> in
> > place to do so.
> >
> > I guess people got over speculative and hopeful past classes would be
> > recorded and sold. Personally, I don't think it's a good idea. Do
> > record
> it for
> > those in the class so they can review it or if they miss a phone call,
> they can
> > catch up. That's my suggestion; but I don't think it's a good idea to
> record
> > and sell phone calls. I know I speak more freely when things aren't
> recorded
> > and to record you'd need all participant's permision which I doubt all
> will
> > agree to.
> >
> > Anyway, good luck fundraising.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Blindhands at aol.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:44 PM
> > To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Comment here
> >
> > I want to ask how a conversation went from talking about a list of
> reference
> > material posted on the Krafters Korner website  got to changing the
> > price and classification of membership and prices of classes?
> >
> > Let me say I  didn't know anything about this and I haven't been
> > online
> over
> > the weekend and Ithink folks are talking about this and it comes  down
> > to
> as
> > things stand right now recordings, patterns and information on pass
> classes
> > are not available to people unless they took the class and saved that
> > information themselves.  It is not available for sale or anyone.
> >
> > We have spoken about in the future doing something with classes, but
> > until it is figured out by the board and people are in place to edit
> > recordings,
> and
> > agreements are made with everyone involved this is not even being
> > considered at  this time.  When it is considered it will have nothing
> > to
> do
> > with what has  been done in the past.
> >
> > Right now I need all of you to help figure out how to pay our expenses
> > and that is a tough one since we don't have any idea how much our
> > expenses will be  until we have a year under our belts.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joyce  Kane
> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> > Blindhands at AOL.com
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