[Nfb-or] [RoseCity] Starting a new chapter

Tue Sep 13 03:58:58 UTC 2011

Joyce,

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it isn't up to you.

Half of the officers are ready to walk out.

More than half of the members who actually come to meetings are ready 
to say goodbye to the NFB.  How can you, who hasn't been to a single 
meeting in more than a year, BECAUSE OF JIM JACKSON, just like the 
rest of us, tell us that we have to either put up with his crap 
(which includes election tampering), or leave the Federation?

I'll lay it out right now: There are three options right now from my 
perspective:

1. Jim Jackson is no longer president of the Rose City Chapter.

2. I am in a different chapter.

3. I am done, period.  Find a new treasurer, list moderator, and 
whatever else.

I have done an awful lot for this chapter in two years, and Jerry and 
I have together done all of the work of cleaning up after Jim's 
messes since DECEMBER.  We are tired of doing it, but we can't oust 
him because HE RIGS THE DAMNED ELECTIONS.  You know it as well as I 
do, so let's not even pretend it has not happened.

How many members need to leave because of Jim's antics before you and 
the rest of the board will do something about it?  I will not serve 
in this chapter any longer without even the chance of removing Jim in 
November.  Frankly, I no longer think that's going to happen, because 
too many people have already said they will not come to any meeting 
so long as he remains in charge of the chapter.

Joseph

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:13:24PM -0700, Joyce Green wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I seriously question whether starting another chapter in Portland is 
>the solution to the friction within the existing one.  We cannot have 
>two rival NFB chapters in Portland.
>
>Perhaps a cooling off time might be advisable, and some time devoted 
>to the ongoing problem at convention when the national rep is here as 
>a resource.
>
>Joyce
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
><tjcarter at spiritsubstance.com>
>To: "Rose City chapter" <rosecity at nfb-oregon.org>; <nfb-or at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: <artds55 at comcast.net>; <blindbob at dishmail.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:04 PM
>Subject: [RoseCity] Starting a new chapter
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>
>>In reply to Nicholas, changing subject line for sanity.
>>
>>Well, starting another chapter in the Portland area is certainly an 
>>option.  It's not one I've been in favor of, personally, but if 
>>there's critical mass in that direction, at this point I will 
>>participate in the resulting chapter.
>>
>>To do it, you'd need to get everyone who wants to participate 
>>together, draft a constitution that was consistent with the state 
>>and national constitutions, pay dues as specified in that 
>>constitution, elect officers, and get the new chapter approved by 
>>the affiliate.
>>
>>At that point, the chapter's treasurer applies for an EIN (tax ID 
>>number—we're too small to have to pay taxes, but we need the number 
>>all the same), and another meeting is held to approve the minutes 
>>of the first meeting.  These will be signed by the chapter 
>>president.
>>
>>Then the president, treasurer, and a member of the board open a 
>>bank account using the signed minutes and chapter EIN with the 
>>three as signers on the account.  The treasurer is listed as the 
>>account contact person, and the president receives a duplicate 
>>statement.
>>
>>Somewhere I heard that a new chapter could ask the affiliate for 
>>some starting funds, seeing as dues are likely not enough to cover 
>>initial expenses and leave much left over for seed money to raise 
>>additional funds.
>>
>>So far as I know it, that's the process, if you and others are 
>>serious about doing it.  Based upon my phone conversations with you 
>>and others yesterday, it sounds like they might be.  If you want to 
>>proceed, I'd suggest starting by determining how many are serious 
>>about it, and by keeping Art Stevenson in the loop.
>>
>>I've copied Art and Chris Morse as well on this message in case I 
>>made any mistakes.  I've only ever been part of the genesis of one 
>>organization, ORABS, and Vivian Smith and Renee Squier did most of 
>>the heavy lifting there since nobody else had any experience with 
>>starting anything.
>>
>>Joseph
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 09:49:40PM -0700, Nicholas Johnson wrote:
>>>Hey Joseph,
>>>My phone battery went out. I have about 4 to6 people who want to 
>>>make a new chapter. If you are the President they will come 
>>>abord. I dont know enough to start or run a chapter.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>>><tjcarter at spiritsubstance.com>
>>>To: "Rose City chapter" <rosecity at nfb-oregon.org>
>>>Cc: <artds55 at comcast.net>; <admin at mainstreetmontessori.org>; 
>>><blindob at dishmail.net>
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:15 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [RoseCity] chapter meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>>I knew that new members get that courtesy, and applied it 
>>>>starting in September.
>>>>
>>>>We didn't do the late fee this year.  I brought it up, but it 
>>>>wasn't taken seriously.
>>>>
>>>>Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 07:27:08PM -0700, Joyce Green wrote:
>>>>>Joseph,
>>>>>
>>>>>Dues can be paid at any time.  However, a few years ago, we 
>>>>>had such a problem getting some ongoing members to get around 
>>>>>to paying dues, that the chapter approved charging $1 more 
>>>>>each succeeding month after Feb. in order to deal with the 
>>>>>lax behavior.  It worked.  People all paid by the end of Feb.
>>>>>
>>>>>New members who paid dues in the fall were not expected to 
>>>>>pay dues again in the new year as a courtesy, but then owed 
>>>>>dues in subsequent years.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>
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