[nfb-talk] captchas: was: Re: Making Our Homes Comfortable and Accessible to Blind Folks

Ray Foret Jr rforetjr at att.net
Sun Dec 18 13:01:46 UTC 2011 

Wel, took a look at the contact form.  The text feilds are not labeled, so, I cannot tell what he wants entered in to them.  I like the math problem though.


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On Dec 18, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:

> Right.
> That math problem is one such idea, as I mentioned.
> I'll let you visit the Website, and have you check out the contact form.
> http://www.aawalker.org
> He ought to get an anual award from the NFB, for most accessible Website!
> Blessings, Joshua
> 
> On 12/18/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Good morning everyone,
>> 
>>    There are also utilities for particular Web environments which can be
>> installed that eliminate the need for captchas all together. Keep in mind
>> that audio captchas won't work for deaf-blind persons shutting them out of
>> many Web-based applications and denying them access to particular site
>> content.
>> 
>> Peter Donahue
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] captchas: was: Re: Making Our Homes Comfortable and
>> Accessible to Blind Folks
>> 
>> 
>> Ray, one of my preacher friends has an accessible contact form.
>> He has a semple math problem for you to answer, to prove that you
>> aren't a spammer.
>> It's a very good alternative to the captchas.
>> I've dealt with these issues on all of the lists.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> 
>> On 12/18/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> Hate to tel you, but; so far as I am aware, Solona no longer works because
>>> the one person who was doing the captcha translations became ill and
>>> basically, shut down the service sort of quietly.  Seems he couldn't get
>>> any
>>> other human beings to help with the captcha translations.  I guess you
>>> could
>>> say he sort of just droped it.
>>> 
>>> So far as I am aware, Webvisum is the only way for a bind person to
>>> translate captchas, and, it must be used with Firefox under Windows; thus,
>>> leaving Mac users to rely either on what ever alternative audio solution
>>> any
>>> given web site provides or nothing at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2011, at 5:56 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ashley.
>>>> I was offended at the language, as well.
>>>> I understand where he's coming from though.
>>>> I'm not against sighted people, but their ignorance of what we go
>>>> through.
>>>> Ryan, as for the captchas, a friend of mine, on the NABS list told me
>>>> about an online service, that you could use, to read your captchas.
>>>> It's free, BTW.
>>>> www.solona.net
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/17/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>> Thanks. I was kind of offended by his message due to the langue and
>>>>> sarcastic attitude toward sighted people. We all have sighted friends
>>>>> and
>>>>> family.
>>>>> Unless you live alone or with a blind spouse, you probably have sighted
>>>>> family members. Get over it; it’s a sighted, visual world and adapt to
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I'll post my ideas for a visual pleasing home soon. I have some vision
>>>>> so
>>>>> I
>>>>> see the importance of visual stuff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: David Andrews
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:21 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Making Our Homes Comfortable and Accessible to
>>>>> Blind
>>>>> Folks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ryan:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have warned you previously about posting profane and inappropriate
>>>>> messages.  It doesn't seem to matter though, as you keep doing
>>>>> it.  Thus, I am placing you on moderated status.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We all understand that it is frustrating being blind, and things
>>>>> aren't always easy.    This is in part why we have this
>>>>> list.  However, your message isn't constructive and while it may make
>>>>> you feel better, I doubt it helped anyone else.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Andrews, Moderator
>>>>> 
>>>>> At 04:07 PM 12/17/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>> Jimbo:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Next time your friends come over and bitch about the lack of light, say
>>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "You know what," (insert name) "...You know what? Every freakin' day, I
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> up and move around in a sighted world. I work on a finite schedule with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> aid of public transit because I can't drive. If the bus or train is
>>>>>> late...so am I. If inclement weather strikes, I don't get in my car and
>>>>>> turn
>>>>>> on the windshield wipers. I freeze my nuts off in the rain or snow
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can get on a bus. When I go shopping, I pray to God that I can land a
>>>>>> shopper's assistant who is, at the very least, literate. If they speak
>>>>>> English, it makes my day. If they speak English fluently...Jesus, I've
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> known to weep with joy. If I shop on line, I'll be lucky if capcha,
>>>>>> internet
>>>>>> graphics and flash don't give me a migraine that could floor Robin
>>>>>> Williams
>>>>>> on a coke binge!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry if I seem a little grumpy. I just came from a job for which I'm
>>>>>> vastly
>>>>>> over-qualified. I have a freakin' master's degree in mathematics, or
>>>>>> genetics, or whatever, but every institution/company at which I apply
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> by sighted pricks who have figured out a way not to hire me. God bless
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ADA and the well-intentioned, ignorant bastards who sleep better at
>>>>>> night
>>>>>> for having passed it. And God bless social security, who is still
>>>>>> haunting
>>>>>> my ass four years later because I forgot to report the income I made
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> a cash register so that I could put bread on the table in between
>>>>>> college
>>>>>> semesters.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It makes a guy wonder if Walter White didn't have a point. Screw it!
>>>>>> Can
>>>>>> blind people be meth cookers? You ever see Breaking Bad? You
>>>>>> know...it's
>>>>>> that super good crime show on AMC that doesn't air with description
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> Hollywood is too God damn cheap to give us description with all of
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> content, even though they can well afford to do so with minimal effort.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You want friggin' light bulbs? Drive to the store and grab a few boxes.
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>> take you myself, but I haven't won the Power Ball yet and can't afford
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> self-driving car. But let me give you directions. Siri! Work! C'mon,
>>>>>> damn
>>>>>> it! What's the nearest Wal-Mart? Flashlight? Who are you kidding? What
>>>>>> friggin' flashlight? Just use my cigar lighter to light your way to the
>>>>>> door. Pick me up a new can of butane on the way back. Yes, I smoke
>>>>>> cigars.
>>>>>> No, I'm not amazing. Dealing with your ignorant ass makes me wanna
>>>>>> smoke
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> right now. No, I don't need help lighting it. Get your damn hands off
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> before Mr. Fist meets Mr. Sack!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's your world and you're the king. Every day, I get up and I don't
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> live. I thrive, brother. Grow the hell up!"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then, out loud you can say:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Umm, sure thing, man. Sorry for my insensitivity to your situation.
>>>>>> Can
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> drive me to the nearest Safeway to grab a few bulbs? And hey...can we
>>>>>> swing
>>>>>> through for a Big Mac on the way home?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now, Jimbo, I've been assuming that the people in question are men. If
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are women, just say:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Lights? Honey, for what we're gonna be doin', we don't need no
>>>>>> freakin'
>>>>>> lights."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sexist and boorish, but oh so true.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RyanO
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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