[nfb-talk] a sincere appology, and a possible discrimination case.

Sun Aug 17 20:01:35 UTC 2014

hi,

I have never had to arrange for a neighbor or friend to go with me to the 
store. i have always asked the courtesy clerk for someone to assist with 
finding a few items and that is what the colorado center and local agency 
staff practices.
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman via nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "'Michael Capelle'" <mcapelle at charter.net>; "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" 
<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] a sincere appology,and a possible discrimination 
case.

> Actually, Josh has the wrong address for Scott. It is:
>
> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>
> and before I contacted Scott, I'd get in contact with your affiliate
> president so s/he knows what's going on.
>
> With respect, it is my view that this sort of problem is better dealt with
> -- initially, at least -- by a bit of discussion, mediation and 
> negotiation
> than with a threat of lawsuit, especially as the regulations aren't 
> exactly
> models of clarity insofar as exactly what accommodations a person with a
> disability is entitled to in grocery stores under what circumstances.
>
> Again, it is my view that the simplest way to solve this is not with
> confrontation or even negotiation but, rather, to just bring a friend and
> buy the items you want. This should not be an onerous burden to the friend
> if, as you say, Michael, there are only a few items to purchase.
>
> Sometimes the best course in getting something done as a blind person is 
> to
> just be a bit inventive rather than trying to always reform the world!
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Capelle via nfb-talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:57 AM
> To: RJ Sandefur; josh lester; NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] a sincere appology, and a possible discrimination
> case.
>
> a lot of things, will write later.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RJ Sandefur via nfb-talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:56 PM
> To: josh lester ; NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] a sincere appology,and a possible discrimination
> case.
>
> Michael, What made you switch? Please write me off list.
> joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "josh lester via nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Michael Capelle" <mcapelle at charter.net>; "NFB Talk Mailing List"
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] a sincere appology,and a possible discrimination
> case.
>
>
>> Michael!
>> Welcome aboard!
>> I tried to tell you a long time ago, that the ACB only does for
>> themselves, and that they don't support our rights!
>> You have a case for discrimination, so you need to contact Scott LaBarre.
>> scott at labarrelaw.com
>> Again, welcome aboard.
>>
>> On 8/17/14, Michael Capelle via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello NFB!
>>> I am coming to you to first of all, appologize for my bitterness.  For
>>> those
>>>
>>> who know me, I was very bitter about the NFB and its practices.  After
>>> this
>>>
>>> weekend, and my experience with another organization, I realize, that 
>>> nfb
>
>>> is
>>>
>>> where I belong.
>>> Please see the following incident that did happen to me this past week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> I would like to discuss an incident which occured this past wednesday.
>>>> I called a local grocery store, crossroads county market at or about
>>>> 3:00
>>>> A.M. I spoke to a gentleman, curtus, and asked if I could obtain
>>>> shoppers
>>>> assistance in an hour, as I am totally blind, and just needed a few
>>>> items.
>>>> He said that he would assist me, and to come on in.  I called metro 
>>>> cab,
>>>> and was transported to the store.  When I arived, curtus was at the
>>>> counter, and stated to the manager, ryan, that I was here, and he was
>>>> going to help me shop.  Ryan immediately stopped him, and told him that
>>>> I
>>>> needed to bring in an assistant.  I immediately told him, that I don't
>>>> just have assistance, and that they had helped me shop in the past.  He
>>>> said yes we do have people that help us, and that if i can't bring in 
>>>> an
>>>> assistant to arange one for later in the day.  I told him impossible,
>>>> and
>>>> he stated that he has handicapped friends who bring in assistance all
>>>> the
>>>> time.   I told him, that I am not his handicapped friends, and restated
>>>> that they have helped me in the past, again, he said, his manager, ryan
>>>> aiers told him that they are not to help us, and that we needed
>>>> assistance.  I was outraged, and proceeded to call the Wausau police
>>>> department.  After officers arived, and spoke to ryan, he told them 
>>>> that
>>>> they are understaffed, and they again can not help me.
>>>> The officers were very kind, and offered me a ride home.  Ryan told the
>>>> officers that I was still allowed in the store, as long as I brought an
>>>> assistant.
>>>> Under the ADA, I believe there are clauses that protect our rights, and
>>>> outline certain things a store must provide to blind persons?
>>>> Do I have a case in regards to discrimination?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Mike.
>>> After posting this to the ACB lists, a lot of people supported my side,
>>> while the majority said I deserved it, that I should of prepared better,
>>> a
>>> lot of people over there were just very rude, and really offended me.
>>> I felt they just stood on the side-lines, I know the NFB stands up for
>>> what
>>>
>>> we believe, and that is what I am looking for in an organized movement.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Joshua Lester
>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>
>>
>>
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>> jlestermusic at gmail.com
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