[Nfbc-info] websight access

ckrugman at sbcglobal.net ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Thu Jun 11 20:27:26 UTC 2009 

I have a Craigslist account and have had it for several years. Even logging 
in to my account I was still faced with the garbled audio. Your solutions 
sounds like it could work.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Bashin" <bashin at calweb.com>
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access


> Chuck and all,
>
> One workaround for Craig's List is to create an account.  Yes, you may 
> need some help to get the captia challenge the first time, but after that 
> every time you log into Craig's List you'll just enter your account with a 
> standard password and be able to post ads without captia challenges.
>
> The larger issue of captias in general remains to be solved.  Perhaps 
> legislation in California could specify that organizations wishing to do 
> business in California may not depend on an entirely-visual (or entirely 
> audio, for  that matter) mechanism to verify human identity.  The 
> webmasters would be free to use many solutions to the ban, but in case of 
> a dispute, perhaps a committee in the California Department of Consumer 
> Affairs could be constructed to take disabled consumer complaints.  The 
> committee would be staffed with Californians with disabilities and would 
> themselves decide if, say, a garbled audio captia was satisfactory. 
> Fiscal impact would be minimal as the committee could be volunteer, such 
> as the Rehab SRC.  This model for protecting consumer access would look a 
> bit like the California Medical Board, called upon to judge practices but 
> not specifying in a zillion micro details how industry sets about finding 
> humanistic solutions for the captia problem.
>
> Bryan
>
>
> At 10:48 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote:
>>After you post and review your ad you will find a page that shows the word 
>>verification format. On that page there is a link that says "Get Audio 
>>Challenge." after clicking on this link you will hear audio instructions 
>>and you will then hear a series of words which a bit garbled almost 
>>sounding like it is coming from a narrative with sound effects in the 
>>background. I attempted to create an ad as I'm trying to find homes for 
>>kittens and I gave up on attempting to use it after a few tries. I do not 
>>consider this format to be satisfactory for screen reader use. apparently 
>>this is new since the last time I posted an ad.
>>Chuck
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Haas" 
>><braillewoman at earthlink.net>
>>To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>
>>
>>>How do I get to this audio version?
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>On
>>>Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:55 PM
>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>
>>>Craigslist has an audio alternative that works well or at least it did
>>>several months ago when I posted an ad.
>>>Chuck
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Haas" 
>>><braillewoman at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:41 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Carla,
>>>>My name is Marianne and I also have not seen this.  Do you know if
>>>>craigslist has something like that/  I always have to ask for assistance
>>>>if
>>>>I want to put an ad up because of copying the numbers I cannot see.
>>>>
>>>>Marianne
>>>>(510) 525-7965
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On
>>>>Behalf Of Karla Gilbride
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 5:04 PM
>>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>>
>>>>The New York Times uses it whenever you try to e-mail an article to
>>>>someone. That's the main context in which I've experienced it, though
>>>>I've seen it on one or two other sites as well.
>>>>
>>>>Karla Gilbride
>>>>John W. Carson Fellowship Attorney
>>>>(admitted to practice in NY only)
>>>>Disability Rights Advocates
>>>>2001 Center Street, Third Floor
>>>>Berkeley, California  94704-1204
>>>>
>>>>510-665-8644  ext. 117 (Tel)
>>>>510-665-8716 (TTY)
>>>>510-665-8511 (Fax)
>>>>kgilbride at dralegal.org
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>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:39 PM
>>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>>
>>>>I have never heard it in action. Can you provide a link to a web site
>>>>where it is in use.
>>>>Chuck
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Karla Gilbride" <kgilbride at dralegal.org>
>>>>To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:37 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What do you all think of the new Re-Captia that uses strings of words
>>>>>instead of those number sequences in the garbled voice? The sound
>>>>>quality is much better though there is more to copy (usually for or
>>>>>five words in the string).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Karla Gilbride
>>>>>John W. Carson Fellowship Attorney
>>>>>(admitted to practice in NY only)
>>>>>Disability Rights Advocates
>>>>>2001 Center Street, Third Floor
>>>>>Berkeley, California  94704-1204
>>>>>
>>>>>510-665-8644  ext. 117 (Tel)
>>>>>510-665-8716 (TTY)
>>>>>510-665-8511 (Fax)
>>>>>kgilbride at dralegal.org
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>[mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:12 PM
>>>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>>>
>>>>>yes, many of the alternatives to captcha web sites are difficult to
>>>>>understand as the voices are garbled and mixed to create the distorted
>>>>
>>>>>equivalent of what is on the screen. I with perfect above average
>>>>>hearing have had to try several times to sign up on several of them so
>>>>
>>>>>this is not just a problem for deaf-blind people.
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Angela Palmer" <nexaliq at comcast.net>
>>>>>To: <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:42 PM
>>>>>Subject: [Nfbc-info] websight access
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>>>reply-type=original
>>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>>I agree with the below message.  Except I cannot understand what the
>>>>>>captcha   word is due to my hearing loss.  I cannot understand a
>>>>thing
>>>>>the
>>>>>>audio says.  And obviously, I cannot see the visual.  Since I have
>>>>>>used several sight that uses this to access the final step of an
>>>>>>order
>>>>>
>>>>>>or something I am compleatly unable to access these sights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Angela and Pathfinder
>>>>>>we need to be systematically addressing the use of captcha or word
>>>>>>verification systems appearing on many types of web sites without
>>>>>>audio alternatives. Web designers convince web site owners that this
>>>>>>is a deterrent from various types of malicious data being entered on
>>>>>web sites.
>>>>>>The only thing that it does is restrict access is this type of image
>>>>>>is not compatible with screen reading software as a whole.
>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>>>>>>To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:42 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] After Target - was - Re: What about Apple,
>>>>>>iTunes,and the iPhone, etc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apple is making iTunes and iPods accessible under agreements reached
>>>>>>after the Target litigation was settled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would like to see us continue after Target and other organizations
>>>>>>for continuing to use touch screen POS machines at checkout counters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>>>>"Speaking with Vision"
>>>>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>[mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>On
>>>>>>Behalf Of Fred Chambers
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:04 AM
>>>>>>To: NFB of California List
>>>>>>Subject: [Nfbc-info] After Target - was - Re: What about Apple,
>>>>>>iTunes, and the iPhone, etc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now that some of us are receiving checks from the NFB V. TARGET
>>>>>>lawsuit, what about all these other inaccessible web sites and
>>>>>products?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What about Apple?  Their iTunes software, iTunes store, iPod, and
>>>>>>iPhone all have access problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who is pushing apple?  Do we have a law suit underway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fred
>>>>>>VP Beach Cities Chapter NFBC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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