[Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?

Sun Aug 12 12:04:35 UTC 2012

Actually, there have been times when there was no traffic that I 
deliberately crossed intersections diagonally. On one occasion I was naughty 
and did it to make sure that an oncoming bus that I wanted to board would 
wait for me. It was a driver that I knew and it worked.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon L. Dillon" <shannonldillon at hotmail.com>
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?


>I have not run into one of these yet but I heavily deepend  on noise from 
>parallel traffic, especially if I am using a cane instead of my dog. I 
>think crossing diagnally would present an interesting challenge. it might 
>be a time when audible signals are actually useful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:41 PM, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> This is a bad thing because people who have received mobility training 
>> and use a cane use the oncoming traffic as a means of maintaining proper 
>> direction and making sure that they maintain a straight line. Many blind 
>> people need the audio clues of maintaining direction unless they want to 
>> ctross an intersection ata 45dg angle or if they are not paying attention 
>> continuing down the middle of the street on the other side.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?
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>>
>>> I don't understand the scary part. Basically, all traffic stops, and 
>>> pedestrians can cross in whichever direction they want. This sounds like 
>>> a good thing. The question is, what do we suggest the city do about the 
>>> audible traffic signals?  Should we take them out? Should they all sound 
>>> when pedestrians can cross? Is there a different solution?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 4:12 PM, "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This does sound scary.  Crossing any which way all at once?  Hmmmm.  I
>>>> suggest someone contact Mark Riccobono at the Jernigan Institute.  Mark
>>>> would know about any relevant technology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>> [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:53 PM
>>>> To: NFB of California List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?
>>>>
>>>> this sounds like an accident waiting to happen. For those of us who 
>>>> were
>>>> trained in mobility before audible devices this sounds like a potential
>>>> disaster. I'm not familiar with this concept. This sounds about as bad 
>>>> as
>>>> roundabouts for pedestrians.
>>>> Chuck
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Fred's ol' XP" <regenerative at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:28 AM
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi NFB-Cal'ers,
>>>>> We just got our first "Scramble" crossing along the coast of Northern
>>>>> San Diego County.  (That's an all-stop for vehicles, no right on red,
>>>>> and pedestrians can cross any which way, including diagonal.
>>>>> As an afterthought, the city traffic people asked the Beach Cities
>>>>> Chapter for input on how to change their Audible Pedestrian Signals.
>>>>> How do y'all do it in the big cities?
>>>>> What do your gadgets usually say or do?
>>>>> I used them in New Zealand and Australia, but was cruising around with
>>>>> locals.
>>>>> Thanks for your input!
>>>>> Fred Chambers
>>>>>
>>>>>
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