[nfbcs] Accessibility (was: BMC Remedy web-based client)

[John Heim]

But when would it require someone to memorize something in order to be 
accessible? In fact, I would suggest that the opposite is more likely. Its 
the fancy graphics that would require people to memorize a piece of data, 
not the accessible app.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessibility (was: BMC Remedy web-based client)


> Amen!
>
> My experience is that while sighted users *say* they hate fancy graphics 
> and visual constructs, in practice they'd be lost without them, especially 
> if they have to read or memorize anything.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:35, "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a meaningful dialog and it is too important to have it get bogged 
>> down in personality clashes.
>> John, Gabe is too direct for my tastes, but I think he was pretty much 
>> expressing the same viewpoint as
>> I tried to express in a different way.  We probably all need to check the 
>> thickness of our skins.
>> Please let's not go down this road.  John, I personally appreciate your 
>> background and insights into
>> some of this.  However, Gabe also has experience that I don't have so 
>> I'll try to work through his
>> directness to get the information he conveys.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:19:18 -0600, John Heim wrote:
>>
>>> Gave, your opinion is no more valuable than mine.  I have 30 years of
>>> experience as a developer and I know for a fact that most users prefer 
>>> apps
>>> that work over ones that look pretty.
>>
>>> If you can't discuss this without being insulting, you should shut up.
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessibility (was: BMC Remedy web-based client)
>>
>>
>>>> I pitty your false sense of reality on your view on accessible apps. it
>>>> just doesn't work that way in the sighted world.
>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
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>>>>
>>>> On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:36 AM, John Heim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know... It seems to me that the best software is almost always
>>>>> also the most accessible. Most users don't really like all the fancy
>
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