[NFBCS] When Money Is Involved

Littlefield, Tyler tyler at tysdomain.com
Sat Mar 7 17:08:40 UTC 2020 

Can I ask what the purpose of these emails are? Are you trying to hear 
yourself talk, or is there an actual purpose behind them? I'm glad you 
managed websites in the late years, and I'm on board, in part with the 
idea that people should be paid for their work, but if you're 
volunteering for an organization, there is nothing at all wrong with 
putting in labor without getting paid for it. I'm not sure if this is an 
angle to hire you and your wife to build the site for NFBCS; if people 
want to do it for free, let them? If you're worth what you say and you 
know your worth, you should find no trouble moving on to bigger and 
better opportunities.

Your claim that you have to be paid to put websites on your resume is 
false and misleading; there were multiple websites and projects I worked 
on as a volunteer, because I wanted to help or appreciated the 
organization's time and efforts, and because I got something back from 
those organizations. Each of those were on my resume, and when I was 
doing job interviews, I spoke about them; people gave them just as much 
weight, if not more simply because I did it as a volunteer; there's 
something to be said for community service. As a student, I took side 
projects to give me beer money, but as someone who is comfortably 
employed (and as you constantly tell us you're also doing well for 
yourself), I see nothing wrong with volunteering my time toward an 
organization which I believe in. I would personally be happy to float 
the cost of paying for a NFBCS domain should it be required; I've done 
so for plenty of other organizations and people.

So the TL/DR: thanks for your stories of days gone by, what are you 
trying to accomplish?

Best,
Ty
On 3/7/2020 10:40 AM, Peter Donahue via NFBCS wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> 	Another reason why projects such as creating division Websites to receive board and membership approval is if money must be spent to create the Website. This can mean registering the domain, paying for hosting, and paying someone to build the website and other Internet resources. I was paid by several state affiliates for registering their domain and for my work for building the site itself. A number of these websites were hosted on NFB Net saving the affiliate the cost of hosting. Since Website construction and management can be a very labor-intensive job I very much appreciated being compensated for my time. My wife Mary can tell you that I worked long into the late night and early morning hours to get these Websites up and running. Because I was paid for my time and effort I was able to put these projects on my resume including links to the Websites themselves so perspective employers could see the kind of Websites I created for these affiliates and divisions.
>
> 	Folks I'm all for volunteering but if a project such as managing the division's Internet presence becomes labor-intensive and the division is in a position to do so financial compensation for those charged with managing these resources should be considered. These people need to be paid for their time and effort. It would be the division's responsibility to find ways to raise the needed funds for such projects. This is definitely a matter that would need to go before the division board and if necessary the entire membership. All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ryan Stevens via NFBCS
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 6:38 PM
> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ryan Stevens <rysteve at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Board Approval
>
> Greetings, Kevin, Bryan, Peter, and everyone,
>
> First, Kevin, I've created a number of constitutions for new chapters and divisions under the New Jersey affiliate, as well as worked to amend others, including the affiliate's itself to bring them up-to-date. I obviously had to make sure they were in compliance with the national constitution. In every one I've worked on or simply read, there is a statement that reads, "the purpose of the Board of Directors is to transact business between meetings" of the full organization, and the only time the full organization of NFBCS meets is at National Convention.
>
> Bryan, you are absolutely correct that we are a volunteer organization, and I very much appreciate that you are working to bring a new NFBCS website to fruition. That being said, however, we are an organization that needs to follow its constitution, which is why the website needs NFBCS Board approval. It's a necessary process, but it's not difficult or time consuming. President Buhrow simply needs to email the Board members directly with the proposal and any pertinent details, and once he gets a majority to approve, which I also believe will be the case, he can let us know via this listserv and this whole discussion can be put to rest.
>
> It's not a matter of people thinking there is anything underhanded or untoward going on, I certainly don't. We just can't allow ourselves to cut corners. Organizations that are okay with it can quickly find themselves facing a boatload of problems.
>
> Take care,
>     Ryan
>
> Ryan Stevens, Parliamentarian
> National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey/ Member, NFB in Computer Science
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via NFBCS
> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 6:01 PM
> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Board Approval
>
> We seem to be disagreeing a great deal about NFB policy and what the constitution says.  Hmmm, think I'll check the national website.
>
>
> On 3/6/2020 5:00 PM, Peter Donahue via NFBCS wrote:
>> Hello again everyone,
>>
>> I managed a number of NFB Websites in the late 1000s. In every case
>> approval for putting up each website had to come from a state or
>> national president with their respective board's approval. National
>> may have bigger fish to fry but the division board would need to
>> approve of creating its Web presence before these resources can be
>> built. I'm speaking from my own experience concerning this matter. All the best.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via
>> NFBCS
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 1:00 PM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Board Approval
>>
>> I really don't think that's how it works.  A division I'm part of in
>> Jersey has regular events.  The state president is aware of the
>> events, and I suppose he could say No if he thought something was
>> totally cockamamie, but I'm sure National has much bigger fish to fry.
>> A national division like NFBCS might have different rules regarding
>> something like a website, though.  I suppose National would want to
>> know of its existence, but why wouldn't they approve?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> How does the NFB ever get anything done with such a rule? A local
>>> chapter wants to have some kind of function and they have to clear it
>>> first with the national president? That's sort of cumbersome don't
>>> you think? Also how far does this rule apply particularly to individuals?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>> On Mar 5, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Peter Donahue via NFBCS
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Appointed and board members are two different animals. It has been a
>>>> long-standing policy of the federation that any actions an
>>>> individual, local chapter, or division chooses to take must be
>>>> approved by the national president, the chapter or division board of
>>>> directors before projects such as setting up division websites can
>>>> go forward. I know this from first-hand experience, and have been
>>>> called out by none other than Dr. Maurer for wanting to conduct an
>>>> activity at a past national convention without his approval. This is
>>>> right in the organization's constitution. All of the ideas we've
>>>> discussed here are great but we need to be sure the division board
>>>> of directors
>> approves of them.
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via NFBCS
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 9:10 AM
>>>> To: Bryan Duarte <bjduarte at asu.edu>; NFB in Computer Science Mailing
>>>> List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Division Website
>>>>
>>>> And as an appointed member, do you have a problem with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/4/2020 9:04 PM, Bryan Duarte wrote:
>>>>> I am an appointed member of this division.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan Duarte
>>>>>
>>>>> PhD Computer Science Research student IGERT Fellow, CUbiC Lab,
>>>>> Arizona State University
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Kevin via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I highly doubt the board would have a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/4/2020 8:31 PM, Peter Donahue via NFBCS wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Did you have permission from the division board to do this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NFBCS <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte
>>>>>>> via NFBCS
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 4:54 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte <bjduarte at asu.edu>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Division Website
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanted to share this link. I created a Slack workspace for the
>>>>>>> NFB CS division. I do not think it should take away from this
>>>>>>> mailing list at all but it would be a great way to collaborate
>>>>>>> and brainstorm on projects such as the website/wiki.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bryan Duarte | software engineer
>>>>>>>
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