[Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
Lenora J. Marten
bluegolfshoes at aol.com
Wed Jun 27 21:50:59 UTC 2012
Here is some info that may be helpful:
The new laws took effect in January 2010. The requirements are for both
state id's and driver's licenses. Everyone must have these documents, no
matter how long they've lived in Florida and held an id or license here.
If you lose an id, or need to renew it, the procedure is the same. Bottom
line, everyone eventually will need to provide the documents.
FL Required Documents
Two proofs of identification (examples: birth certificate or passport)
Two proofs of residency (examples: mortgage statement or voter registration card)
One proof of date of birth (example: birth certificate)
One proof of Social Security number if you've been assigned a number (examples: Social Security card or W-2 form)
One proof of legal presence if you're not a citizen (examples: Green card or I-797 form)
The best thing to do is call ahead of time and make sure that the documents you have are
going to work for your situation. They are very picky about what is acceptable and what
is not.
There is a website, and I do not know if it is accessible. www.gathergoget.com. There is a drop down menu
for citizenship, date of birth, license/id, county, zip, and name changes. It will then tell you what documents
you need for your particular situation.
Any information you can find out ahead of time will be very helpful as it is a very frustrating
process. By the time you're done, you'll probably feel like it took an act of congress just to
get your license/id renewed.
Special note for women: you must show what's called "chain of name change". For example,
if you have been married and divorced, you must show birth certificate, marriage license,
divorce decree, next marriage license, etc.
So wether or not you're ready to renew license or state id, it's never too early to
start gathering up those documents because you will eventually need them. Some,
especially those from other states, can take up to six weeks to process.
Below is a copy/paste of the press release which can be found at http://www.gathergoget.com/Press/2009121801.aspx
New Driver License And ID Requirements Take Effect
Jan. 1, 2010
Tallahassee, Fla. – Beginning Jan. 1, 2010, new documentation requirements will take effect for Florida residents wishing to obtain a driver license or identification card. Those wishing to obtain a new license, legally change their name prior to their renewal date, or immediately replace a lost or stolen license or ID card will be required to visit a driver license office and show proof of: 1) identification, 2) Social Security number and 3) residential address (two items). Those simply renewing may do so by a convenience method, via the Internet or mail, one time between office renewals. The renewal following a convenience option must be in a state driver license office (or participating tax collector office) where new requirements will be in effect.
Floridians are encouraged to visit www.GatherGoGet.com to find out how and when to gather your documents, go to a driver license office and get your new card. This online hub allows residents to obtain contact information showing where to get required documents, create personalized checklists and browse a list of local driver license offices in their area.
“These new requirements support the most secure identification credential possible,” said Division of Driver License Director, Sandra Lambert. “We are pleased to have a convenient online tool in place that takes Floridians through a step-by-step process, helping to identify and obtain all required documents to prepare for their next visit to an office.”
Florida law was enacted to ensure the state’s compliance with the provisions of the Federal Real ID Act. Despite the recent extension of deadlines by the Department of Homeland Security, Florida will continue its efforts to provide the most secure credentials and issuance processes possible, benefitting both our citizens as well as law enforcement agencies. The decision by the DHS will have no impact on Florida’s planned improvements.
While the new documentation requirements begin Jan. 1, 2010, Florida residents are not required to visit a driver license or tax collector office on or before this date. Residents may verify when they need to visit an office with the required documents by visiting www.GatherGoGet.com.
As the changes may require some preparation, the Department encourages residents to visit the website to speed through the process so they can make their transactions in one trip. For more information about the Gather. Go. Get. campaign, or to see a full list of required documents, visit www.GatherGoGet.com.
All that being said, if people are not getting notified when their state id is close to expiration date,
we do need to see what can be done to make sure that's changed. State id's should have the same
notification process as drivers licenses.
Lenora
-----Original Message-----
From: valkemadenise <valkemadenise at aol.com>
To: nfbf-l <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
I agree this is sad but I believe the sighted people wanting a driver's license
or Florida identification card have to provide the same documentation that was
asked. Also, once beyond a certain age, the identification card doesn't expire.
I called to set an appointment and asked what to bring including payment method
prior to going. This helped with wait time in Miami-Dade anyway.
We could see about having notification mailed out 2 months ahead if this is done
for driver's license. Is this done for all Florids?
Denise
-----Original Message-----
From: taraprakash at gmail.com
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Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
It's really sad. Who would compensate if you did or if you had to take leave
from work for this?
We have two lessons to learn from this experience:
1. Do not let your state id expire.
2. Be more sympathetic towards people without documents. Not having them
should not automatically make you illegal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricia A. Lipovsky" <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
To: "NFBF List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
> Hi all.
>
>
>
> I wanted to write and share my wonderful experience I had recently with
> the Department of Motor Vehicles. Talk about bureaucracy, this is
> bureaucracy to the Max as far as I'm concerned. It's a tad long, and I
> apologize for that, but I didn't want to leave out too many details so you
> could get the complete picture of exactly what happened.
>
>
>
> It all started when my state ID expired. Warning: If you do anything at
> all, do not let your ID expire.. It will be one of the biggest mistake
> you make!!
>
>
>
> First trip to the DMV
>
> I was told by a friend, even though my ID expired, just take it to the
> DMV, and they will just issue me a new one. Wrong!
>
>
>
> Since there is a two hour turn around time with my Parra transit, a very
> kind lady from my church offered to take me to the DMV so I wouldn't have
> to wait so long for my return trip.
>
>
>
> I took my expired ID, as my friend suggested, which of course had my
> picture on it, and after standing in line for about 30 minutes, was told
> it could not be accepted because it was expired. I then offered another
> ID with a picture of my service animal and myself on it, but they still
> wouldn't budge. They told me I needed to come back with two utility
> bills, to show proof of address, a social security card or Birth
> certificate, and I would be good to go.
>
>
>
> Second Trip to the DMV
>
> About two or three weeks later, my very kind church lady and I go back to
> the DMV, water and electric bills in hand, along with my two photo ID's,
> my birth certificate, and got back in line to wait my turn. I get up to
> the reception desk with all my info, and after looking at it, was asked
> for my social security card. I explained I misplaced it, and the last
> time I was there, was told my birth certificate along with the other
> pieces of information I had would suffice. She apologizes, and states my
> social security card is required. I could go to the social security
> office and obtain a letter which they would accept, substantiating that I
> did have a social security card.
>
>
>
> Feeling very frustrated, since I truly thought this issue was going to be
> resolved at this time, and had other things to do, I told my very kind
> church lady friend that we would deal with this another day. Once again,
> she graciously offered to take me to the Social Security office one day
> the next week, and then back to the DMV, which was exactly what we did.
>
>
>
> Third Trip to the DNV
>
> We go back to the DNV a week later, social security letter in hand, two
> utility bills, two picture ID's, and my birth certificate. I anxiously
> awaited my turn, and after waiting approximately 30 to 45 minutes, got up
> to the desk and handed the person my info. After looking through it, she
> states my name on my birth certificate is not the same as on the other
> pieces of information. My response was, "Yes, I know, I got married." Can
> you guess what her next statement is? You got it. She now needs a
> certified copy of my marriage certificate.
>
> Needless to say, at this point, I wanted to scream, but thanks to our Lord
> and Savior, managed to compose myself. I then proceeded to tell her that
> this was my third trip to the DMV, and pointed out that she did have two
> picture ID's right there in her hot little hand, (well I did leave the
> words hot little hand part out), with me standing right in front of her,
> verifying those pictures, plus two utility bills which verified home
> address and name, as well as my social security letter. Noticing how
> frustrated I was, she decided to check with her boss, and upon return,
> proceeded to apologize for my inconvenience, but stated I would still have
> to come back with the marriage certificate.
>
> Frustrated, disappointed, and discouraged, out the door we went for the
> third time, knowing I had yet another obstacle to overcome.
>
>
>
> After numerous calls to New Jersey, I finally got to the correct office,
> where I was told they would be happy to send me a copy of my marriage
> certificate, provided I furnished them with a current driver's license
> /ID. Hmmm, another obstacle! Long story short, I ended up contacting my
> x, who found it, and sent it to me. Elated, I almost said "I love you",
> but caught myself in the nick of time, as that wouldn't have been a very
> good idea.
>
>
>
> Fourth Trip to the DMV
>
> So now my church lady friend and I are back at the DMV, with two photo
> ID's, two utility bills, my social security letter, my birth certificate,
> and my marriage certificate. I once again, get up to the desk, feeling
> very confident this would be the day I get my new ID, but there was yet
> another glitch. The marriage certificate that my x thought was the
> original, was a copy, and I was told she could not accept a copy. Now, I
> can feel the blood rush to my head, and am trying very hard to maintain my
> composure. She obviously took note of my expression, knowing I had been
> there before, and decided to ask her boss if she could accept it. Luckily
> for my sake they did, and I was finally able to go on my merry way with my
> new ID.
>
>
>
> Now, let me say because of what happened with 911, and the identity theft
> problem, I do understand the security issue, and totally agree with it one
> hundred percent, but what happened in my case though, I feel was overkill.
> If I didn't have two photo ID's, which obviously reiterated who I was, I
> could understand connecting all the dots, but truly feel that wasn't
> necessary here.
>
>
>
> Also, people who drive get notified 2 months in advance that their license
> will be expiring.
>
> People with state ID's who do not drive, do not ever get notified. What's
> up with that???
>
>
>
> Are people who don't drive less important? Do they not deserve equal
> treatment? Is this discrimination?
>
>
>
> You tell me!!
>
>
>
>
>
> And remember....
> If you lack the courage to start, you have already finished.
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