[Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
Patricia A. Lipovsky
plipovsky at cfl.rr.com
Wed Jun 27 22:23:16 UTC 2012
Thanks Lenora. This is very good information. I HAVE TO SAY IT WAS A TUFF
ROAD, BUT WAS DEFINITELY A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenora J. Marten" <bluegolfshoes at aol.com>
To: <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>
> Here is some info that may be helpful:
>
> The new laws took effect in January 2010. The requirements are for both
> state id's and driver's licenses. Everyone must have these documents, no
> matter how long they've lived in Florida and held an id or license here.
> If you lose an id, or need to renew it, the procedure is the same. Bottom
> line, everyone eventually will need to provide the documents.
>
>
> FL Required Documents
>
> Two proofs of identification (examples: birth certificate or passport)
> Two proofs of residency (examples: mortgage statement or voter
> registration card)
> One proof of date of birth (example: birth certificate)
> One proof of Social Security number if you've been assigned a number
> (examples: Social Security card or W-2 form)
> One proof of legal presence if you're not a citizen (examples: Green card
> or I-797 form)
>
>
>
> The best thing to do is call ahead of time and make sure that the
> documents you have are
>
> going to work for your situation. They are very picky about what is
> acceptable and what
> is not.
>
>
>
> There is a website, and I do not know if it is accessible.
> www.gathergoget.com. There is a drop down menu
> for citizenship, date of birth, license/id, county, zip, and name changes.
> It will then tell you what documents
> you need for your particular situation.
>
>
> Any information you can find out ahead of time will be very helpful as it
> is a very frustrating
> process. By the time you're done, you'll probably feel like it took an act
> of congress just to
> get your license/id renewed.
>
>
>
> Special note for women: you must show what's called "chain of name
> change". For example,
> if you have been married and divorced, you must show birth certificate,
> marriage license,
> divorce decree, next marriage license, etc.
>
>
>
> So wether or not you're ready to renew license or state id, it's never too
> early to
>
> start gathering up those documents because you will eventually need them.
> Some,
> especially those from other states, can take up to six weeks to process.
>
>
>
> Below is a copy/paste of the press release which can be found at
> http://www.gathergoget.com/Press/2009121801.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
>
> New Driver License And ID Requirements Take Effect
> Jan. 1, 2010
>
> Tallahassee, Fla. – Beginning Jan. 1, 2010, new documentation
> requirements will take effect for Florida residents wishing to obtain a
> driver license or identification card. Those wishing to obtain a new
> license, legally change their name prior to their renewal date, or
> immediately replace a lost or stolen license or ID card will be
> required to visit a driver license office and show proof of: 1)
> identification, 2) Social Security number and 3) residential address (two
> items). Those simply renewing may do so by a convenience method, via
> the Internet or mail, one time between office renewals. The renewal
> following a convenience option must be in a state driver license
> office (or participating tax collector office) where new
> requirements will be in effect.
>
> Floridians are encouraged to visit www.GatherGoGet.com to find
> out how and when to gather your documents, go to a driver license office
> and get your new card. This online hub allows residents to obtain contact
> information showing where to get required documents, create
> personalized checklists and browse a list of local driver license
> offices in their area.
>
> “These new requirements support the most secure identification credential
> possible,” said Division of Driver License Director, Sandra Lambert. “We
> are pleased to have a convenient online tool in place that takes
> Floridians through a step-by-step process, helping to identify and
> obtain all required documents to prepare for their next visit to an
> office.”
>
> Florida law was enacted to ensure the state’s compliance with the
> provisions of the Federal Real ID Act. Despite the recent extension
> of deadlines by the Department of Homeland Security, Florida will
> continue its efforts to provide the most secure credentials and
> issuance processes possible, benefitting both our citizens as well
> as law enforcement agencies. The decision by the DHS will have no impact
> on Florida’s planned improvements.
>
> While the new documentation requirements begin Jan. 1, 2010, Florida
> residents are not required to visit a driver license or tax
> collector office on or before this date. Residents may verify when
> they need to visit an office with the required documents by visiting
> www.GatherGoGet.com.
>
> As the changes may require some preparation, the Department encourages
> residents to visit the website to speed through the process so they
> can make their transactions in one trip. For more information about
> the Gather. Go. Get. campaign, or to see a full list of required
> documents, visit www.GatherGoGet.com.
>
>
>
>
>
> All that being said, if people are not getting notified when their state
> id is close to expiration date,
>
> we do need to see what can be done to make sure that's changed. State id's
> should have the same
> notification process as drivers licenses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lenora
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valkemadenise <valkemadenise at aol.com>
> To: nfbf-l <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>
>
> I agree this is sad but I believe the sighted people wanting a driver's
> license
> or Florida identification card have to provide the same documentation that
> was
> asked. Also, once beyond a certain age, the identification card doesn't
> expire.
>
> I called to set an appointment and asked what to bring including payment
> method
> prior to going. This helped with wait time in Miami-Dade anyway.
>
> We could see about having notification mailed out 2 months ahead if this
> is done
> for driver's license. Is this done for all Florids?
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taraprakash at gmail.com
> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:10 am
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>
>
>
> It's really sad. Who would compensate if you did or if you had to take
> leave
> from work for this?
> We have two lessons to learn from this experience:
>
> 1. Do not let your state id expire.
>
> 2. Be more sympathetic towards people without documents. Not having them
> should not automatically make you illegal.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patricia A. Lipovsky" <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "NFBF List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:04 AM
> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Bureaucracy to the Max
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wanted to write and share my wonderful experience I had recently with
>> the Department of Motor Vehicles. Talk about bureaucracy, this is
>> bureaucracy to the Max as far as I'm concerned. It's a tad long, and I
>> apologize for that, but I didn't want to leave out too many details so
>> you
>> could get the complete picture of exactly what happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> It all started when my state ID expired. Warning: If you do anything
>> at
>> all, do not let your ID expire.. It will be one of the biggest mistake
>> you make!!
>>
>>
>>
>> First trip to the DMV
>>
>> I was told by a friend, even though my ID expired, just take it to the
>> DMV, and they will just issue me a new one. Wrong!
>>
>>
>>
>> Since there is a two hour turn around time with my Parra transit, a very
>> kind lady from my church offered to take me to the DMV so I wouldn't have
>> to wait so long for my return trip.
>>
>>
>>
>> I took my expired ID, as my friend suggested, which of course had my
>> picture on it, and after standing in line for about 30 minutes, was told
>> it could not be accepted because it was expired. I then offered another
>> ID with a picture of my service animal and myself on it, but they still
>> wouldn't budge. They told me I needed to come back with two utility
>> bills, to show proof of address, a social security card or Birth
>> certificate, and I would be good to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Second Trip to the DMV
>>
>> About two or three weeks later, my very kind church lady and I go back
>> to
>> the DMV, water and electric bills in hand, along with my two photo ID's,
>> my birth certificate, and got back in line to wait my turn. I get up to
>> the reception desk with all my info, and after looking at it, was asked
>> for my social security card. I explained I misplaced it, and the last
>> time I was there, was told my birth certificate along with the other
>> pieces of information I had would suffice. She apologizes, and states my
>> social security card is required. I could go to the social security
>> office and obtain a letter which they would accept, substantiating that I
>> did have a social security card.
>>
>>
>>
>> Feeling very frustrated, since I truly thought this issue was going to be
>> resolved at this time, and had other things to do, I told my very kind
>> church lady friend that we would deal with this another day. Once again,
>> she graciously offered to take me to the Social Security office one day
>> the next week, and then back to the DMV, which was exactly what we did.
>>
>>
>>
>> Third Trip to the DNV
>>
>> We go back to the DNV a week later, social security letter in hand, two
>> utility bills, two picture ID's, and my birth certificate. I anxiously
>> awaited my turn, and after waiting approximately 30 to 45 minutes, got up
>> to the desk and handed the person my info. After looking through it, she
>> states my name on my birth certificate is not the same as on the other
>> pieces of information. My response was, "Yes, I know, I got married." Can
>> you guess what her next statement is? You got it. She now needs a
>> certified copy of my marriage certificate.
>>
>> Needless to say, at this point, I wanted to scream, but thanks to our
>> Lord
>> and Savior, managed to compose myself. I then proceeded to tell her
>> that
>> this was my third trip to the DMV, and pointed out that she did have two
>> picture ID's right there in her hot little hand, (well I did leave the
>> words hot little hand part out), with me standing right in front of her,
>> verifying those pictures, plus two utility bills which verified home
>> address and name, as well as my social security letter. Noticing how
>> frustrated I was, she decided to check with her boss, and upon return,
>> proceeded to apologize for my inconvenience, but stated I would still
>> have
>> to come back with the marriage certificate.
>>
>> Frustrated, disappointed, and discouraged, out the door we went for the
>> third time, knowing I had yet another obstacle to overcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> After numerous calls to New Jersey, I finally got to the correct office,
>> where I was told they would be happy to send me a copy of my marriage
>> certificate, provided I furnished them with a current driver's license
>> /ID. Hmmm, another obstacle! Long story short, I ended up contacting my
>> x, who found it, and sent it to me. Elated, I almost said "I love you",
>> but caught myself in the nick of time, as that wouldn't have been a very
>> good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fourth Trip to the DMV
>>
>> So now my church lady friend and I are back at the DMV, with two photo
>> ID's, two utility bills, my social security letter, my birth certificate,
>> and my marriage certificate. I once again, get up to the desk, feeling
>> very confident this would be the day I get my new ID, but there was yet
>> another glitch. The marriage certificate that my x thought was the
>> original, was a copy, and I was told she could not accept a copy. Now, I
>> can feel the blood rush to my head, and am trying very hard to maintain
>> my
>> composure. She obviously took note of my expression, knowing I had been
>> there before, and decided to ask her boss if she could accept it.
>> Luckily
>> for my sake they did, and I was finally able to go on my merry way with
>> my
>> new ID.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, let me say because of what happened with 911, and the identity theft
>> problem, I do understand the security issue, and totally agree with it
>> one
>> hundred percent, but what happened in my case though, I feel was
>> overkill.
>> If I didn't have two photo ID's, which obviously reiterated who I was, I
>> could understand connecting all the dots, but truly feel that wasn't
>> necessary here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, people who drive get notified 2 months in advance that their
>> license
>> will be expiring.
>>
>> People with state ID's who do not drive, do not ever get notified.
>> What's
>> up with that???
>>
>>
>>
>> Are people who don't drive less important? Do they not deserve equal
>> treatment? Is this discrimination?
>>
>>
>>
>> You tell me!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And remember....
>> If you lack the courage to start, you have already finished.
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