[nfbmi-talk] FW: Colege policy board drafts

Elizabeth lizmohnke at hotmail.com
Sat Jul 31 03:32:45 UTC 2010








Hello List,

 

Here is the final message that was sent out from Geri on the
college policy issue. As she explains in her message, there are two policies attached
to this message. One of them was edited by me and Fred, while the other one was
edited by Gwenn and Geri. I submit them both for your information, but if you could
please read over the policy that Fred and I worked on, I would greatly appreciate
it. 

 

There was some discussion during the last phone conference about
whether or not we want to take an official position on this policy, and submit this
policy as a final draft from our organization. So if everyone could read over this
policy, and give your input on whether or not we as an organization want to submit
this policy as a final draft, I would greatly appreciate it. 

 

Hopefully all of this makes sense, but if not, I am always happy
to answer any questions.

 

Elizabeth


From: geri.taeckens at isahealthfund.org
To: LuzenskiS at michigan.gov; alissa161 at gmail.com; cannonp at michigan.gov; dcgorton601 at comcast.net; mohnked at hotmail.com; wild-rose at sbcglobal.net; lizmohnke at hotmail.com; f.wurtzel at comcast.net; FurtonD at michigan.gov; grace at menzelcoaching.com; debate912 at gmail.com; mpvi at intergate.com; heibeckc at michigan.gov; jbrown at mpas.org; pilarskij at charter.net; jonesl2 at michigan.gov; kisiell at michigan.gov; president.nfb.mi at gmail.com; laury-johnsons at michigan.gov; lovep at michigan.gov; laschuck at juno.com; mcnealg at michigan.gov; mcvoys at michigan.gov; SilveyA at michigan.gov; smithd11 at michigan.gov; martzvir at msu.edu; whitee2 at michigan.gov; wilsond9 at michigan.gov
CC: jcscot at sbcglobal.net; brlbumps at sbcglobal.net; margwolfe at usa.net
Subject: Colege policy board drafts
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:26:57 -0400














Hi to all!  
 
First of all, I want to take a moment to thank so 
many dedicated staff and consumers for giving of their valuable time and passion 
to work on this college policy.  The open door process, facilitated by 
Grace Menzel, has been both enlightening and effective.  A special thanks 
to Director Cannon for allocating the funds and staff time to make this 
effort happen.  It takes a special leader to recognize the need for trying 
new things and working outside of the traditional box.
 
Now, to the commissioners.  You have a little 
work cut out for you.  In order to keep this process open and fair, I am 
sending you 2 drafts.  Without going into the fine details, I have decided 
to send a draft edited by Gwen Botting and myself, and a draft edited 
by Elizabeth Monke and Fred Wortzel.  I am running out of time to 
weave the ideas of both drafts together, so I'm asking that you, as a board, 
read both.  
 
In the draft edited by G-B and G-T, I have put the 
word, Note) where recommendations were given as part of the feedback 
process from the June 21 work group meeting.  The draft edited by E-M and 
IF-W is actually  very similar to the first, much of it taken from 
the work group, but has many references sited.
 
It will be up to the board to decide if they want to add in any of the 
staff or consumer recommendations and then vote on the final draft.  
Hopefully, once you read these drafts, any confusion you may have at the moment, 
will be alleviated.  
 
I am sending you these drafts early, so you can be sure to review them, ask 
any questions ahead of time, so we are ready to hear public comment and vote at 
the 8-27 meeting.
 
Just so everyone is aware, I will be out of e-mail and voice mail contact 
from 7-23 to 8-10.  I will answer all messages when I return.
 
Okay, thank you again to everyone.
 
Geri  
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

  From: 
  Luzenski, 
  Sue (DELEG) 
  To: Alissa Werner ; Cannon, Patrick 
  (DELEG) ; dcgorton601 at comcast.net ; Diana Mohnke ; 
  Donna 
  Rose ; Elizabeth Mohnke ; f.wurtzel at comcast.net ; Furton, Dan 
  (DELEG) ; Geri Taeckens ; Grace 
  Menzel ; Greg Botting ; mpvi at intergate.com ; Heibeck, 
  Cheryl (DELEG) ; Jeanette Brown ; pilarskij at charter.net ; Jones, Leamon 
  (DELEG) ; Kisiel, Lisa (DELEG) ; president.nfb.mi at gmail.com ; Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (DELEG) 
  ; Love, Pat 
  (MDE) ; Lydia 
  Schuck ; McNeal, Gwen (DELEG) ; McVoy, Shannon 
  (DELEG) ; Silvey, Amber M (DELEG) ; Smith, 
  Danielle (DELEG) ; Virginia Martz ; White, Elizabeth 
  (DELEG) ; Wilson, Debbie (DELEG) 
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:09 
AM
  Subject: FW: July 1 college policy 
  draft
  

  
   
   
  
  
  
  
  From: Fred 
  Wurtzel [mailto:f.wurtzel at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:36 
  AM
To: 'Geri Taeckens'; 
  'Virginia Martz'
Cc: Cannon, 
  Patrick (DELEG); Jones, Leamon (DELEG); 'Jo Ann Pilarski'; 'Gwen Botting'; 
  'Greg Botting'; 'Alissa Werner Williams'; 'Lydia Schuck'; 'Elizabeth'; 'Larry 
  Posont'; 'Donna Rose'; Luzenski, Sue (DELEG); Heibeck, Cheryl (DELEG); White, 
  Elizabeth (DELEG); 'JEANETTE BROWN'
Subject: RE: July 1 college policy 
  draft
   
  Hi 
  Geri,
   
  I don’t think 
  policies of other institutions need to be written into Commission policy, 
  except to say something like, “individual schools and colleges may have 
  timelines that govern the length of time for completion.”  This seems the 
  responsibility of the student and can be negotiated between the institution 
  and the student, outside the rehab process.
   
  Warm 
  Regards,
   
  Fred
   
  
  
  
  
  From: Geri 
  Taeckens [mailto:geri.taeckens at isahealthfund.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:50 
  PM
To: Virginia 
  Martz
Cc: Patrick Cannon; 
  Jones, Leamon (DLEG); Jo Ann Pilarski; Gwen Botting; Greg Botting; Alissa 
  Werner Williams; Lydia Schuck; 'Elizabeth'; Fred Wurtzel; 'Larry Posont'; 
  Donna Rose; Luzenski, Sue (DLEG); Heibeck, Cheryl (DLEG); White, Elizabeth; 
  JEANETTE BROWN
Subject: Re: 
  July 1 college policy draft
   
  
   
  
   
  
  Sue Luzinski, can you make sure 
  everyone on the college policy work group gets this? I lost my e-mail list and 
  don't want to leave anyone out. Virginia,
  
   
  
  Thank you so very much for this 
  information.  I can see that we need to add a summary of this mandate 
  into the college policy A number 4 on timelines.  I will do that and send 
  just that portion out for folks review sometime this week end.  I believe 
  we can maintain  the spirit of the timeline as written, with clear 
  clarification about mandated consequences for financial aid if a student does 
  take longer than 150% of the expected time frame for a 
  degree.
  
   
  
  To be clear, I am reading this as, 
  if a normal college program takes 4 years, the student is expected to complete 
  their degree with in 6 years if they want financial aid through PEL and other 
  grants or to request an exception.  It also sounds like they must declare 
  a major with a goal for a degree.  Is there anything written in regards 
  to when this major-degree type needs to be identified? I know many students 
  take a couple of years to figure out what they truly want to go 
  for.
  
   
  
  Again, thank you so much. This is 
  some real tangible stuff we can use to support what is 
  written.
  
   
  
  Geri
  
    
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    
    
    From: Virginia Martz 
    
    
    To: Geri Taeckens 
    
    
    Sent: 
    Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:09 PM
    
    Subject: RE: 
    July 1 college policy draft
    
     
    Hello 
    Geri,
    I have reviewed the second draft 
    of the “MCB College Policy, 7-1-10, Draft from Constituent Workgroup of 
    6-21-10, Edited 6-30-10, gb”. I am sorry I was not able to join the group on 
    Tuesday, 6-29-10, but I see many of the concerns I noticed in the first 
    draft were addressed in the second draft. 
     
    I wanted to share additional 
    information regarding the timeline students have to complete an 
    undergraduate degree program (the information is available at ED.gov). All 
    students are required to complete a FAFSA for the year they are planning to 
    attend a college or university (this is also in the MCB College Policy). 
    Once a student has completed a FAFSA, the following federal guidelines 
    apply:
     
    Financial aid recipients must 
    complete their degree program within 150% of the "expected" time of 
    completion. 

A student working on a 4-year degree would only be 
    eligible for financial aid for 12 semesters (6 years).

A student 
    working on a 2-year associate's degree would be eligible for a maximum of 3 
    years (6 semesters) of financial aid.

Financial aid recipients must 
    also pass a certain percentage of all classes that they register for 
    (generally 70%, sometimes 75%), and must maintain a cumulative GPA of 2.0 or 
    above.
     
    The student’s social security 
    number is used to track students from school to school, so the financial aid 
    office of a university or college is able to track the number of semesters a 
    student has attended, even if the student jumps from one institution to 
    another institution. Universities and colleges want students to complete 
    degrees, and by law, students receiving financial aid must be in a degree 
    seeking program --- meaning they must be working towards 
    something.
     
    If a student cannot complete the 
    associate’s or 4-year degree in the mandatory timeline, there is an 
    application for appeal/extension which the student must complete with the 
    college’s financial aid office. Requests/appeals are carefully reviewed 
    prior to a student receiving an extension and if the extension is granted, 
    the extension is closely monitored to assure the student is making progress 
    on completion.
     
    Students who attend school 
    part-time are held to the same standards (150% of the “expected time of 
    completion”), but with an adjustment which is equivalent to the full-time 
    attendance.
     
    Even if a student declines all 
    financial aid, grants, and government financial assistance, the 150% of the 
    “expected time of completion” is enforced from the first filing of the 
    FAFSA. 
     
    For Graduate degree candidates 
    the following standards are enforced:
     
    The “normal time limit” is 
    published by the degree granting program and can be found in the college or 
    university literature/website. The college office of financial aid follows 
    the “normal time limit” as published by the degree granting program. The 
    “maximum time limit” for a degree granting program is individually assessed 
    by the degree granting program and the college office of financial aid. 
    Again, universities and colleges are assessed nationally on retention and 
    completion rates, including graduate and post-graduate students. 
    Universities and Colleges do not want students to remain in school for 
    extended periods of time and will enforce “expected time of completion” 
    limits. 
     
    Let me know if you have 
    additional questions regarding this 
information.
     
    I also appreciate the changes to 
    policy A, number 13, regarding the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). 
    Michigan 
    State University has an “Interagency 
    Agreement” which was signed July 22, 2002. While we were approached by MCB 
    to sign the MOU in 2007, we found the original agreement to be much more 
    beneficial for both MSU and MCB, and thus the original agreement is still in 
    place. I know there are other colleges and universities which have 
    “interagency agreements”… should this language also be included, or do we 
    consider these agreements to be MOUs?
     
    I have a question regarding 
    Policy B, number 2, regarding merit scholarships. RCPD offers several merit 
    scholarships which are intended to be used by the student for an educational 
    purpose of the “student’s choosing”. Example: 1. Purchasing equipment or 
    technology (talking blood pressure cuffs, talking medical equipment, GPS, 
    etc.), 2. Paying for the flight, spending money, or additional costs related 
    to participation in a study abroad program, 3. Paying the tuition of an 
    elective course not in their required field of study (adapted scuba), and/or 
    4. Paying for elective textbooks or materials and/or attendance to a 
    professional conference or workshop. 
     
    Would our language of 
    “educational purpose of the student’s choosing” be equivalent to the 
    language “has a specified purpose” and allow the student to use the funding 
    as we intended and not just for tuition? RCPD offers scholarships which 
    allow students the choice of “enhancing” their college experience, by having 
    the funding to purchase or pay for something otherwise not supported by 
    other entities. We believe students make very good decisions regarding how 
    to use the designated funds and should not be forced to use the funding only 
    for tuition. I am asking for an interpretation of “specified purpose”. 
    
     
    Last item; I do not see anything 
    in the language of the policy which states that “MCB students are not 
    required to accept loans” to supplement the cost of attending college. I 
    know students may take out a student loan, but clarification of this area 
    may still be needed.
     
    Thank you for inviting me to be 
    a part of this process. I really appreciate the “thought filled” process of 
    developing a college policy.
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Ginger
    
    Virginia L. Martz, M.A., CI & 
    CT
    Visual Impairments, 
    Deaf/Hard-of-Hearing & Mobility Disabilities Specialist 
    
    Michigan State University 
    Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 
    
    120 Bessey Hall 
    
    East 
    Lansing, MI 48824-1033
    517-355-1293
    Fax: 
    517-432-3191
    martzvir at msu.edu
    www.rcpd.msu.edu
    
    
    
    
    From: Geri 
    Taeckens [mailto:geri.taeckens at isahealthfund.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:05 
    PM
To: Luzenski, Sue 
    (DELEG); Cannon, Patrick (DELEG); dcgorton601 at comcast.net; Diana Mohnke; 
    Donna Rose; Elizabeth Mohnke; f.wurtzel at comcast.net; Furton, Dan (DELEG); Grace 
    Menzel; mpvi at intergate.com; Heibeck, Cheryl (DELEG); Jeanette Brown; 
    pilarskij at charter.net; Jones, Leamon (DELEG); Kisiel, Lisa (DELEG); 
    Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (DELEG); Love, Pat (MDE); McNeal, Gwen (DELEG); 
    McVoy, Shannon (DELEG); Silvey, Amber M (DELEG); Smith, Danielle (DELEG); 
    White, Elizabeth (DELEG); Wilson, Debbie (DELEG); Virginia Martz; Lydia Schuck; Alissa Werner 
    Williams; 'Larry Posont'; Greg Botting
Cc: Luzenski, Sue (DELEG)
Subject: July 1 college policy 
    draft
     
    
    I am elated to announce the the 
    second to final draft of the MCB college policy is done and attached for 
    your review. A huge thanks to Gwen Botting for reviewing this draft, several 
    times.  Thanks to all of you who have given your time and energy to 
    this process.  When all is said and done, we can all be proud that we 
    created a policy that truly reflects the consensus of all 
    concerned.
    
     
    
    Please review and return any 
    feedback you have to me by July 15. Appropriate changes will be made and the 
    final document will go to MCB for distribution to the board for the August 
    27 meeting.  As this document was not fully data driven, I will ask the 
    board to approve it for 1 year, pending data collection that will either 
    confirm or dispute any elements in this 
    policy.
    
     
    
    Please note that there are still 
    a few small typing errors that will be fixed in the final draft. Sue 
    Luzinski, Gwen could not get out the weird dots that are hovering above the 
    word, Conclusion, in that section of the document.  
    
    
     
    
    Also, I have attached a 
    reference list of those items that need to be inserted into the policy. 
    Again, Sue, those need to be identified by MCB and inserted, with eventual 
    links created when the final document is put on the 
    web.
    
     
    
    Okay, happy 
    reading.
    
     
    
    Geri
    
      		 	   		  
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