[nfbmi-talk] mcb??

Tonya Smith tonyasmith75 at live.com
Fri Oct 29 11:07:42 UTC 2010 

Hi Fred, it's Tanya. Well, think of it this way, even if you have a minimal job is better than nothing because I can't stand these people who just you know gripe and complain about their jobs. It's like well, you know it may not be much of a job but just be glad you have a job you know.    

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> Original Message:
> ---------------------------------
> 
> From: Fred Wurtzel <f.wurtzel at comcast.net> 
> Sent: October 29, 2010 12:41:33 AM
> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List' <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> 
> Hi Tonya,
> 
> I can say with certainty that neither I nor the NFB of Michigan will stop
> until there is justice and fairness and that any blind person who wants a
> job can go to the Commission and have confidence that all that is possible
> will be done to help them get a job and I mean a good paying job, not a
> sub-minimum make-work job.  We have to stick up for each other if we are
> going to ever fix this mess.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Fred
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Tonya Smith
> Sent: None
> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> 
> Well I thank you very much Fred. That actually does make a lot of sense.
> Well see, I understand, but that's why I said a lot of these things need to
> be changed, and like I said if many people call Pat Buchanan and leave a
> message on his machine like I did; then he will know that more and more
> people they are not liking what's happening there, and they will not sit on
> their hands and say oh well, you know? Because  I realize that things are
> hard to change, but you know what? That doesn't mean that you can quit just
> because things are hard. You know? Yeah sure things are hard and difficult,
> but that doesn't mean that you can sit on your hands and say, "Oh things are
> so hard", you know, and be a quitter. I wasn't raised a quitter. I was
> raised to fight for my rights, and dog gonnit I'm going to do it. I mean fi
> you want to run with your tail between your legs, that's fine, but not me.
> I'm not going too. Granted I'm not saying you in general, I'm just saying
> anybody. If they want to do that, well then hey more power to them. They're
> not going to get anywhere in life. That's all I'm saying. I mean do you want
> someone to speak up, or do you just want me to sit back and say, "Oh, oh,
> oh, well, yep, yep, yep, you're right. you're right. That's the way things
> are. I'm going to just sit back and be dumb." I mean come on now, think
> about it Fred. Now can we really afford to be doing. 
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> > Original Message:
> > ---------------------------------
> > 
> > From: Fred Wurtzel <f.wurtzel at att.net> 
> > Sent: October 28, 2010 9:36:03 PM
> > To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List' <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> > 
> > Hello Tonya,
> > 
> > There is a saying (like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic) that
> is
> > said when making incremental changes will not prevent the inevitable or
> > correct the incorrect path of the vessel, a metaphor for organization.  In
> > the case of MCB the course is set in the wrong direction, so reorganizing
> or
> > somehow restructuring the reporting hierarchy will not make any difference
> > if the fundamental philosophical compass is not corrected.  We will
> continue
> > to have clients told there is no money when there are millions of dollars
> of
> > unspent money in the accounts.  College students will continue to be told
> > they must take out loans, even though the Rehab Act does not require that
> > they do.  Students will be stuck with $11,000 debts with no offer to repay
> > them, even though the Commission gave incorrect information.  We will
> > continue to work to reduce services to college students when a college
> > education is the best predictor of employability.  We will continue to
> > reduce legally mandated services to BEP operators who wish to move even
> > though they are often making less than the minimum wage and cannot afford
> to
> > move their household across the state, even if for a better job.  We will
> > continue to have the MCB director usurping power from the Commission Board
> > when, in fact, the board is his boss.  We will continue to have
> information
> > withheld even though the law clearly requires the sharing of public
> > documents.  Blind children will continue to be denied the opportunity to
> > learn Braille, even though the Commission law clearly states the MCB
> > Director shall coordinate all services to blind children in Michigan.
> > Highly qualified and hardworking blind people will be fired from the
> > Commission for being NFB members.  Leaders in the Business Enterprise
> > Program will continue to be removed from the program because they are
> > leaders and are members of the NFB.     
> > 
> > This is what I mean when I say that restructuring the MCB is like
> > rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.  What is needed is for the
> > Commission Board to take its rightful roll as the policy setting body for
> > MCB, to focus on a philosophy that leads to doing whatever is necessary to
> > help blind people get good jobs and gain first-class citizenship, free
> from
> > discrimination and low expectation.  I hope this helps.
> > 
> > Warm Regards,
> > 
> > Fred
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Tonya Smith
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:56 PM
> > To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> > 
> > Hey Fred this is Tonya. What the holy heck does the Titanic have to do
> with
> > the commission? The Titanic is a ship Fred, I saw the movie. What does, I
> > don't get it. What does the changing of the chairs have to do, I don't get
> > it. What does the changing of the chairs on the Titanic have to do with
> > anything. I don't get it. Perhaps why don't you come back and explain it
> to
> > me please. Because well, I don't mean to sound really rude, but that
> sounded
> > kind of really dumb. 
> > 
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> > > Original Message:
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > 
> > > From: Fred Wurtzel <f.wurtzel at att.net> 
> > > Sent: October 28, 2010 8:14:57 PM
> > > To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List' <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Unless there are major philosophic changes, rearranging the chairs on
> the
> > > Titanic will not help.
> > > 
> > > Warmest Regards,
> > > 
> > > Fred
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > > On Behalf Of gkitchen
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:40 PM
> > > To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I am not  sure if there was a misunderstanding.  I think some people
> have 
> > > been dissatisfied with their services from the commission, certainly in
> > not 
> > > every circumstance but with certain services.
> > > 
> > > Georgia
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Jacalyn Paulding" <jacalynpaulding at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I'm just wondering if there is a little misunderstanding here.  They
> are
> > 
> > > > in
> > > > fact restructuring the physical premises of the Michigan Comission 
> > > > Training
> > > > Center in kalamazoo.  All students are going home November 19th and
> the
> > > > center is relocating while there is a massive remodeling.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think maybe somebody misunderstood mcbtc to be mcb?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:42 AM, gkitchen <ghkitchen at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Fred,
> > > >>
> > > >> I think the person who mentioned it was unsatisified with their
> > services
> > > >> and well I believe they have reason.
> > > >>
> > > >> Georgia
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> > > >> To: "'Marcus Simmons'" <MarcusSimmons at comcast.net>; "'NFB of Michigan
> > > >> Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:44 PM
> > > >>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>  Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yes, restructuring could mean a lot of things, so that is why I
> really
> > > >>> wonder what is ment by this comment.  It could mean anything from
> > merger
> > > >>> with MRS, to moving to the Department of Ed or a simple reassignment
> > of
> > > >>> roles within the agency.  Very ambiguous.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Warmest Regards,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Fred
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> > > >>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > >>> ]
> > > >>> On Behalf Of Marcus Simmons
> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:20 PM
> > > >>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If 30% of the present staff retire, that would constitute a 
> > > >>> restructuring,
> > > >>> right?
> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "gkitchen"
> <ghkitchen at comcast.net>
> > > >>> To: "NFB of Michigan List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:26 AM
> > > >>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] mcb??
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  Hi,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Someone I talked to briefly told me they were going to restructure
> > the
> > > >>>> MCB. Has anyone have any comments about this?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Georgia
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