[nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Tue Jan 11 00:13:46 CST 2011


Elizabeth and Donna,

Once again you both know precisely how the motion was phrased and indeed 
passed twice over again. You, Elizabeth have the room with Mary Wertzel paid 
for by the members of the NFB MI and if others from NFB MI who are women are 
to join with you then the room payments will continue. If there are other 
members of NFB, women who wish to share the room but who are not members of 
NFB MI then they must share, pro rata the room expense.

If anyone wishes to challenge my recollection of the motions or events then 
I should refer them to the recordings of this event. However, I suggest, 
with all patience expired at this late hour that you, Elizabeth and others 
continue to make mountains out of moe hilss at exhaustive expense and at 
diliatory purpose for those in NFB MI who wish to actually get about to 
business.

Furthermore, while I have not openly commented upon this before, and that is 
only in the interest of unity, which was rather admittedly stupid on my 
behalf, I must state that if you wish Elizabeth for the record to be trully 
reflective of statements made that you innacurately stated that the reason 
you wished to have the room to yourself and for whomever you stated from 
another state was because as again you stated publicly last year the youth 
didn't make visits to our reps. This clearly was not true and it denigrated 
the rokle of Melinda and our youth group.

Now, if you, Elizabeth or others have direct evidence to the contrary I 
would hope that you would support those allegations with facts and for the 
record.

If I am mistating events or misinterpreting them I will submit to each and 
every member of the board on these accounnts and as to the taped, or 
recorded record.

If that is done Elizabeth I will apologize to you with a public microphone 
from the highest public building of your chosing as well as of course, on 
this list and others for that matter.

Shoot if innacurate in the least detail I'm willing to have a llie detector 
test, a public flogging, and a Partridge in a Pear tree to satisfy you.

Now, as a member all I expect from you, and others is to simply take "Yes" 
for an answer and not to be pervisely devisive with no purpose whatsoever 
except, perhaps to extend some sort of personal agenda or grudge or another 
against the commonweal and the common interest and the common defense of 
commonly held rights and responsabilities.

Contrary to common slander I do not welcome debate for the simple sake of 
it. Nor do I relish confrontation between peers for the sake of it. Nor do I 
wish any ill will upon you or your faction such as it is. But, neither do I 
care one wit for trifles and bovine scatology and/or deflection. diffusion, 
delusion, or other silly little and petty drama games.

There is serious business goingon here which impacts the lives of all blind 
folks in this state and, indeed in America and even around the globe.

Certainly my way is not the "only way" and I do not presume to be that all 
knowing or all powerful for I am not, after all "God".

I say these things to pre-empt ad hominum attacks and to point to, once 
again the public record which is and has been accurately reflected by all 
but you Elizabeth on this issue.

Again, those things are in the recordings if you  don't listen or don't 
trust those who fund you in this endeavor.

Finally I'll say simply, "Stop playing games."

And, that goes to you too  Donna.

The times are dire for those who are blind in America and Michigan and none 
of us can afford bovine scatology... (If you don't know what tthat means 
than look it up!)

Joe


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "NFB Michigan" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.



If this is how the board would like to see this motion reflected in the 
minutes, then that is fine. It’s just that as I read over the minutes, it 
sounds as though the motion was to keep the original motion that was made 
during a previous meeting. Hence the reason for clarification. However, if 
others feel as though this issue is settled, then I will not discuss the 
issue any further.

Elizabeth
 >
> From: Donna Posont <donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>
> Sent: January 10, 2011 10:26:46 PM
> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
>
> Okay, Joe, you are not being sincere or respectful of Elizabeth. She has
> every right to ask for clearification of a motion that was not written out
> especially when it affects her.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
>
>
> > Ok, can we end this? I am willing to pay for your hotel out of my own
> > pocket Elizabeth.
> >
> > How, much is it and where do I send the check?
> >
> > sincerely and Respectfyully,
> >
> > Joe
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> > To: "NFB Michigan" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 3:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Thank you for sending out the minutes for the last conference call 
> >> board
> >> meeting. Do you have any record of the motion as it was stated during 
> >> the
> >> meeting? I recall there being some kind of stipulation about how many
> >> people needed to be in the room in order for the affiliate to pay for 
> >> the
> >> room. However, I was not able to write down the exact wording of the
> >> motion as it was stated during the meeting. The more specific the 
> >> motion
> >> is stated in the minutes, the less misunderstanding there will be about
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Elizabeth
> >>
> >>> From: christine_boone at comcast.net
> >>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:02:51 -0500
> >>> To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> >>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
> >>>
> >>> Minutes, January 6, 2011, 8:30 P.M.
> >>>
> >>> Quorum yes Larry Posont, Michael Powell, Terri Wilcox, Marcus Simmons,
> >>> Dave Robinson, Matt McCubbin, Mary Wurtzel, Melinda Latham,
> >>> Donna Posont.
> >>>
> >>> Secretary's Report. Terri Wilcox. The Secretary's Report was approved.
> >>> Marcus Simmons moved to adopt the report as emailed. The
> >>> motion was seconded by Dave Robinson.
> >>>
> >>> Treasurer's Report, Mary Wurtzel. The Youth Outreach account has
> >>> $1350.88. The affiliate account has $2924.71. The Newsline account
> >>> has $1,348.75. Dave Robinson moved adoption of the Treasurer's Report.
> >>> Mike Powell seconded the motion. The Treasurer's report was
> >>> approved. The Solicitation License needs 990's for the years 2004
> >>> through 2007.
> >>>
> >>> President's Report. Larry Posont. We may get Discovery by the middle 
> >>> of
> >>> the month. There was a discussion about the law suit.
> >>>
> >>> Washington Seminar, J.J. Meddaugh. We retain the motion to have a 
> >>> female
> >>> room for Michigan Affiliate Members. Dave Robinson made the
> >>> motion. It was seconded by Mary Wurtzel. The motion was approved. It 
> >>> was
> >>> understood that if there is extra space in the female room,
> >>> individuals who are not a part of our Michigan affiliate but wish to
> >>> stay in the room, must pay part of the cost of the room.
> >>>
> >>> Mary Wurtzel will be in the women's room.
> >>>
> >>> Student Division, Elizabeth Mohnke. The student division wants to have 
> >>> a
> >>> board meeting before Washington Seminar. It is desirable to
> >>> reestablish National Federation of the Blind of Michigan Scholarships.
> >>> Matt McCubbin might have a copy of the student constitution
> >>> that is needed.
> >>>
> >>> Training of Staff. Jo Ann Pilarski recommended to Pat Cannon that the
> >>> training committee be kept small.
> >>>
> >>> Summer 2011 National Convention Transportation. This will be discussed
> >>> further at the February 12 Quarterly Board Meeting.
> >>>
> >>> Quarterly Board Meeting February 12,
> >>>
> >>> 2011, Lansing. The meeting will be held either at The Guyer Community
> >>> Center or at Fred and Mary Wurtzel's church. It will commence
> >>> at 11 A.M. and end at 4 P.M. with lunch at 12:30.
> >>>
> >>> Potential Commission Board Meeting, January. There might be a meeting 
> >>> on
> >>> the 21st or 29th on Business Enterprise Issues. We may need
> >>> a position paper on the detrimental aspects of these proposed motions.
> >>>
> >>> Nature's Finest Bounty Report. Some coffee is being sold. A Nature's
> >>> Finest Bounty public relations person is needed. Dave Robinson
> >>> will help.
> >>>
> >>> Monitoring Report? Find out what the agency is doing to comply with 
> >>> the
> >>> Monitoring Report. A letter will be written outlining our
> >>> concerns about the Commission's lack of compliance.
> >>>
> >>> New Business: The legislative committee is eager to work on Newsline.
> >>> The legislative Committee is planning a conference call. The
> >>> Membership Committee planned to have a conference call.
> >>>
> >>> Opportunities Unlimited for the Blind did not get the Rfp for Camp
> >>> Tuhsmeheta. Larry Posont proposes a meeting concerning Camp
> >>> Tuhsmeheta for everyone who is interested in camp programming for 
> >>> Summer
> >>> 2011. The Nfb is the only group with the interest and
> >>> knowledge to save and run Camp Tuhsmeheta. The blind need control of 
> >>> the
> >>> Camp. The Nfb makes a motion that we ask for accountability
> >>> for where all funds and the trust are being allocated. Marcus Simmons
> >>> moves adoption and Mary Wurtzel seconded the motion. The
> >>> motion is approved
> >>>
> >>> A motion that National Federation of the Blind of Michigan call and 
> >>> host
> >>> a meeting to keep Camp Tuhsmeheta for the blind. The motion
> >>> is approved. Marcus Simmons calls for adoption and Mary Wurtzel 
> >>> seconds
> >>> the motion. The motion is approved.
> >>>
> >>> People are being called to let them know of the return of Newsline. A
> >>> Press release was issued concerning Newsline. The
> >>> announcements section is very old. We need people to help with
> >>> announcements for Newsline. Mike Powell will help.
> >>>
> >>> Send Chapter Election results to Peter Zaremba.
> >>>
> >>> Old Business: Melinda Latham states that seven youth are going to
> >>> Washington Seminar. Youth will attend appoints. Youth are giving
> >>> influence about what they want to do while in Washington. We intend to
> >>> work on restarting the parent's division.
> >>>
> >>> There is concern expressed about emails criticizing the Commission for
> >>> the Blind. The digest mode makes emails more compact. We are
> >>> required to carry out our state and National resolutions. Resolutions
> >>> need to go out on the list serve.
> >>>
> >>> Adjourn at 10-08.
> >>>
> >>>
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