[nfbmi-talk] ada accommodations for upcoming mcb meetings

Mon Jun 13 17:56:24 UTC 2011

Joe,
I'm not questioning your rights as a consumer, but also realize that people 
have limited time and resources to keep up with these lists. It's one thing 
to remind people about their rights, but I don't see the need to forward 
every single request.
This probably should all be with the list moderators, not publicly here, so 
I'll not say anything further.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] ada accommodations for upcoming mcb meetings

> I'm not dealing with opiniions but, rather facts or in the case of MCB 
> discovering facts. Moreover, when it comes to MCB it is a creation of the 
> Vocational Rehab Act and here is the link to VR regulations right on the 
> NFB web site.
>
> You will also not links to the ADA and implementing regulations therein 
> and on that very web site too and those I refer to in the very message I 
> presented.
>
> Joe
>
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Voc_Rehab_regs.asp?SnID=90835971
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] ada accommodations for upcoming mcb meetings
>
>
>> Christine,
>> Sorry for not clarifying my message. I'm not leaving the NFB. There's 
>> lots of facets to this organization and part of our strength is that 
>> there's so many ways to be involved, from local chapters to the dozens of 
>> national divisions.
>> I don't have a problem with our stance on the MCB or some of the members 
>> involved. I just question how we publicly present this information 
>> sometimes on a publicly searchable email list. People's individual 
>> opinions could be construed as the organization's position, for example 
>> or used against us in legal or other proceedings. I know many of us, 
>> myself included, have strong opinions about some of the leadership in our 
>> state government and with perseverance and determination, we will 
>> succeed, just as we did in helping you get your job back.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> J.J. Meddaugh
>> A T Guys
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Christine Boone" <christine_boone at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] ada accommodations for upcoming mcb meetings
>>
>>
>>> J.J., Please don't leave!  I truly believe that we are going to get the 
>>> Commission squared away pretty soon, and then there will be plenty of 
>>> space on the list for other things.  I know how you feel.  Sometimes all 
>>> of this commission stuff just wears on a person.  You just want a day to 
>>> go by when we don't have to read about our rights being violated, or yet 
>>> another MCB related  meeting happening.  Uggggg!
>>>
>>> Keep the faith and hang in there!
>>> I would like to see us have some kind of great and positive PR thing 
>>> during the next year in the NFB of Michigan.  Something that is designed 
>>> to be completely positive.  I have lots of ideas:  Perhaps a 
>>> walk-a-thon, but not just for the sake of having a walk-a-thon.  We 
>>> could walk in celebration of something, like Braille literacy, or 
>>> Michigan poling places having accessible voting machines.  That one 
>>> might be good, with the 2012 election coming up.  We could walk for 
>>> visibility, and to educate and encourage people to vote, not by absentee 
>>> ballot, but at their neighborhood poling place using the accessible 
>>> technology that is provided there.  And why is it possible to vote in 
>>> this way?  Because of the National Federation of the Blind of course, 
>>> and others who joined in the effort as the years passed, but it was 
>>> indeed the NFB who was first on the scene to raise the issue of access 
>>> to a secret ballot for blind people. For several years in Nebraska, in 
>>> the 1990s, I even got to vote using Braille ballot instructions and a 
>>> template for completing my own paper ballot.
>>>
>>> Here's to a brighter future, which will seem even sweeter for the dark 
>>> times through which we have all journeyed together!
>>>
>>> With Love,
>>>
>>> Christine
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2011, at 2:26 AM, J.J. Meddaugh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, this list just gets crazier all the time.
>>>> Perhaps it's time for me to leave.
>>>>
>>>> From: "David Robinson" <drob1946 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] ada accommodations for upcoming mcb meetings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I absolutely agree.  It is important that we become knowledgable of 
>>>>> our
>>>>> rights and the obligations of a public agency like MCB under the law.
>>>>> Perhaps MCB would be more alert to the law if enough of us would 
>>>>> insist tht
>>>>> our rights be followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>> [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:41 PM
>>>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] ada accommodations for upcoming mcb meetings
>>>>>
>>>>> To make it a part of the public record and to archive it. It is also
>>>>> instructive as to what consumer advocates including members of NFB MI 
>>>>> should
>>>>>
>>>>> be doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] ada accommodations for upcoming mcb meetings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why must you CC the list with this?
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "Luzenski, Sue (DLEG)" <LuzenskiS at michigan.gov>
>>>>> Cc: "lydia schuck" <laschuck at juno.com>; <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>; "Jo 
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> Pilarski MCB, Chair" <pilarskij at CHARTER.NET>; "John Scott MCB, 
>>>>> Commissioner"
>>>>> <jcscot at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] ada accommodations for upcoming mcb meetings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> June 12, 2011
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>>>>>
>>>>> E-mail: joeharcz at comcast.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: ADA accommodations for upcoming meetings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> c/o Sue Luzenski
>>>>>
>>>>> MCB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Via e-mail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Sue,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm writing you today to receive in accessible format pursuant to both 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Accessible Meeting and the Effective Communications requirements of 
>>>>> the ADA
>>>>> and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 each and every scrap of information 
>>>>> sent
>>>>> to MCB commissioners for the upcoming meeting on Thursday and Friday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not ask for as I've already received them elsewhere the 
>>>>> following:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -draft prior meeting minutes
>>>>>
>>>>> -agenda except for the Thursday meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> -the MCB Report
>>>>>
>>>>> -the MCB activities list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do expect to receive all written reports and all other items 
>>>>> referenced in
>>>>> the agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know my computer talks and thus the only accommodation I 
>>>>> request at
>>>>> this time is to have these items sent to me at my e-mail address 
>>>>> listed
>>>>> above as Word or plain text attachments.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance for your timely accommodation in this regard.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cc: MCB commissioners
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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