[nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline

Fri Oct 21 23:37:50 UTC 2011

Hi joe,

First this is silly.

Second, she specifically addressed me byy saying Fred in the salutation.

Third, she was asking, as I understood, if we could extend the
pre-registration deadline.  In answer to this question, I simply stated that
it is not my call as to whether it can be extended.  I did not set the
deadline, I was not delegated to set or change said same and thus, cannot
unilaterally change it.  

Fourth, larry is President.  He can give appropriate instructions and can,
as you suggest, determine whether he or the board or Mary, as convention
co-chair, can make a decision to change the deadline.

Fifth, save your legalisms for MCB.  We have very frequent boardmeetings and
you know the President's phone number.

As for Elizabeth, she and I are perfectly capable of working out our
communication with out the assistance of others, thank you very much.

Warmest Regards,

Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:49 PM
To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline

Hi Fred,

Not to be anal or anything else, but I thoughtElizabeth was simply asking
for opinions. I didn't think they needed or requested anything more. Correct
me if wrong here Elizabeth, but wasn't that what you wanted?

Regardless being cslightly confused myself I'm only wonderrring if the
division requires a vote on this thing and if that is what Elizabeth was
preficing?

Regardless, I think that Elizabeth was using this list most appropriately in
trying to give us all an accessable "heads up" to what she is proposing.

I also think that given the dirth of accessable venues to make such things
accessable to all that this is highly appropriate.

in other words I think she was asking for suggestions as to the language,
etc. of her concerns which I think highly appropriate.

Now, as per formalities, legalities and all that I just don't know.

But, certainly I must say that if there are spelling or grammatical errors
or whatever in any Constitution it nmakes us look bad if nothing else
andshould be rectified.

So far as this all goes I am in full agreement with what Elizabeth has done
as far as I understand it and I applaud, as I've done in the past her
efforts so far as they go in these regards too.

My only contention on this issue being somewhat coulded here Fred by
receiving only snippets...Not the fault of anyon here...Is this:

"This isn't the domain of Larry as you suggest per se." This should be a
Constitutional matter based upon rule of law, and the Constitution is the
law in our regards.

Now do not get me wrong here and this is by no means an attack upon you,
Larry or Elizabeth in these matters.

It is just that NFB MI is a duelly constituted board with 501 (c0 (3)
obligations and with other "fiduciary charges" of stewardship including in
its design and guiding principles and actions like its Constitution, as our
affiliates and all that too...

Anyway, the only and I repeat only thing I have disagreement with here Fred
is that it isn't "larry's call" as you suggest.

NFB is a democratic organization and it is thecall of the "body politic" in
this type of thing. that is the issue

Thisis not personal in the least again by the way. My comments neither
disparage you, Larry or Elizabeth but state principles in fact, law and
equity that are not disputable.

I

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline

> Hi,
>
> Not my call.  Talk to larry or mary.  I'm just the messenger.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:32 PM
> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>
> Hello Fred,
>
> thank you for sending out this announcement. However, if we are extending
> the date to reserve rooms for the convention, would it be possible to 
> extend
> the deadline for pre-registration as well? If someone has not reserved a
> hotel room yet, being able to receive the pre-registration rates might 
> serve
> as an incentive for booking a room. Just my thoughts for whatever they may
> be worth.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:14 PM
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>;
> "Michigan Comm for the Blind Vision 20/20 List"
> <MCB2020-L at LISTSERV.MICHIGAN.GOV>
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] NFB of Michigan Hotel Reservations Deadline
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> Convention Co-chairperson, Mary Wurtzel,  has asked me to send out the
>> following.
>>
>>
>>
>> The deadline for registering for rooms at the kalamazoo Clarion Hotel
>> is october 25.  Our block of rooms will be released after that and
>> rates and rooms may not be available.
>>
>>
>>
>> To make reservations call 269-385-3922.  To be eligible for convention
>> room rates of $79.99 you must make a reservation and be registered for
>> the convention.
>>
>>
>>
>> For information contact larry Posont, President at 517-482-1800 or
>> mary Wurtzel at 517-485-0326.
>>
>>
>>
>> We all look forward to seeing our friends and colleagues in Kalamazoo
>> november 4-6 for an exciting and action-packed weekend of changing
>> what it means to be blind in Michigan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Fred Wurtzel
>>
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