[nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user

Thu Sep 22 03:37:28 UTC 2011

Maybe her dog was ugly or something!  No, that's discrimination!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user


> And here is the ultimate point: No one including a petty rent a cop or 
> even an established police officer has the right to engage in assault and 
> battery of anyone outside the use of lawful restraint against a 
> perpetrator of a crime.
>
> This lady whether she showed an ID or not was not engaging in a crime by 
> any measure. And the resulting assault and battery upon her person was an 
> abuse of power pure and simple.
>
> Let me put it into a non-blind context.
>
> A police officer might rightfully pull over a person for a traffic 
> violation and might rightfully ask for ID (although the ADA requires no ID 
> whether we like it or not, but another issue for a service dog, 
> etc.)...anyways a police officer or a security gard hired by SSA for 
> crying out loud  doesn't have the right to assault and batter any 
> individual any more than you or I can do so.
>
> Anyone in my opinion should be insulted and infuriated at the abuse of 
> power by nominal police powers in this instance if all things are as 
> presented.
>
> Not only did this ex-officio officer of the law violate allegedly the 
> right of this person to access the confines of the Social Security 
> Administration...her right to access the governmental services and 
> programs of the United States Government...aka the Social Security 
> Adminuistration...But he actually in alledged fashion commited not only 
> civil violations of law but actual criminal violations of law.
>
> No one has the right let alone a person acting under so-called color of 
> law -- Original Message -----  the right to assault and batter anyone.
>
>
> THAT IS THE ULTIMATE BOTTOM LINE. I use upper casehere for a reason and to 
> emphasize that just because one where's a badge he or she may not violate 
> vcivil rights or act in a criminal capacity.
>
> would I have the right to throw  out your shoulder because you didn't show 
> me this or that ID when it wasn't required under law in the first place? 
> And because I had some plastic badge nominally giving me bully powers over 
> you? No, I sure as heck wouldn't have such a right. Even under the most 
> libertarian constructs I don't have the right to assault and batter you 
> Larry or anyone else. does someone given a badge by the Feds get such a 
> right? I don't think so. Or not at least in a democratic-republic where we 
> are supposed to be a government of law and not of perfidious men.
>
> Should an agent of the state garnering federal and taxpayer funds be 
> granted a pass? Hell no! If these facts are as they are this is an abuse 
> of police powers that is despicable in a democratic-republic by any 
> measure.
>
> As in all of these cases I'm appalled at the second guessing of the victim 
> of state sanctioned abuses of power, priveledge and civil rights.
>
> This is akin in my mind to the often abused issue of the vicitims of sex 
> crimes in that the victim of rape for example are often put on trial.
>
> Now, again I only go by news accounts here and I wish for a true 
> proceeding to take place with equal protection and due process of law for 
> all involved. But, if the thing whent donw as portrayed then why should 
> this state actor acting under color of law be given a pass for assault and 
> battery and indeed why isn't he up on charges for civil rights violations 
> and for 'violations of hate crime legislation>?
>
> Listen I have thegreatest respect for law enforcement officers and for 
> quasi-law enforcement oficers in general. They do a tough job. But theyare 
> not and cannot be beyond the reach of the law itself or the law 
> breaksdown.
>
> Bad apples must be weeded out in the legal system and in fact in the VR 
> system or the isn't anything left to defend but perfidy, corruption and 
> chaos.
>
> When ccorrection agents in this state raped for decades women in prision 
> resulting in a $100 million plus settlement against the state what did 
> that say about the rule of law?
>
> We taxpayers are still paying for this garbage to this day including those 
> who are blind with denigration of services.
>
> I'm sick of the public criminals being left off the hook and even 
> continuing in many instances with their high priced crimes against us.
>
> And I'm even more sick and saddened and outraged at the fact that some in 
> our community point out the this that or the other thing or ommission of a 
> blind or disabled person in that he or she didn't dot an I or cross a T 
> while being abused outright. I'm not aiming this at you Larry as you'll 
> likely know. And you're a tough guy and right with the world.
>
> But, darnit I'm ticked that whenever these things get exposed the first 
> place some look are at the victims and not the victimizers.
>
> Hope you understand I'm using this as a launcing point about principles 
> Larry and not at all aimed at you per se.
>
> Peace only Comes with Justice,
>
> Joe
>
>
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>
>
>>I agree to a point.  I always keep my ID with me and also she has the 
>>school tag on her.  But if you have a dog in harness and someone observes 
>>you for a minute or so, they can clearly see what the dog is there for!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bob Mates" <bluesbob at att.net>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>>
>>
>>> That was a terrible incident, but it underscores the importance of 
>>> always having your school ID on you.  I once had an incident, in Newark, 
>>> New Jersey, which threatened to get ugly.  However, when I showed the 
>>> guy my ID, with Max's picture on it, he changed his tune completely. 
>>> Chances are, you'll never get asked to show your ID.  However, on the 
>>> off chance that you are asked, it's good to have it handy.  I hope that 
>>> security guard gets fired.  He's not only a lawbreaker; he's also a 
>>> liar, for saying he's a federal employee.  Blessings, Bob
>>>
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