[nfbmi-talk] still not responsive for the record
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Dear Fellow Federationists:
Today, I received the answers to the questions we asked Pat Cannon at our State Convention. His answers are below. I have not
read them yet, but I thought all of you would like to see them.
sincerely
Larry J. Posont, President
National Federation of the Blind of Michigan
517-482-1800
Email:
president.nfb.mi at gmail.com
Web page
www.nfbmi.org
Question 0
We think this would be a good beginning statement before true questions even begin.
You are on this stage as a guest of the national Federation of the Blind of Michigan. You must recognize that in our view you have
maliciously attacked this organization and our members by firing them, besmirching their reputations and reducing their future
earnings as retirees in the Business Enterprise program in an attempt to thwart and reduce our ability to advocate on behalf of
blind people. You have used your political influence and inside knowledge to load the Commission Board with your picks. You have
failed to inform us of reductions in Newsline funding thus putting the NFBMI in a supplicant role to vainly attempt to neuter us and
prevent us from our rightful role as advocate and watchdog. Do you promise to fully and honestly answer our questions for the
record?
Pat's Response
This was among the many issues I addressed in my comments at the NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
Question 1
During the March Commission board meeting, it was said that the Michigan Commission for the Blind would hire a nonbiased moderator
to help facilitate the ongoing discussion regarding the college policy. However, it seems clear that the person who was hired to
facilitate the June college policy meeting was bias towards the agency, against consumers, and did not possess a positive belief
about blindness in general. Can you explain why your agency decided to hire a facilitator who had personal connections with a member
of the Commission Board rather than hire someone who was completely neutral to these issues?
Pat's Response
The facilitator we utilized was referred to the Commission by John Victory, the individual with whom we have worked for many years
on our Vision 2020 initiative. While I recall that the facilitator had a conversation with one of our commissioners prior to
beginning her work with us I do not believe that they knew each other prior to the college policy review team. If there was a
previous relationship I am unaware of it.
Question 2
This week there were 13 facilities on the BEP bid line. To our knowledge at least 2 blind people, one with a bachelor's degree in
foodservice requested work. They were refused. Meanwhile, the MCB is presumably hiring sighted people who regularly do not pay
their fees to work. Another operator with significantly below the minimum income for a highway vending operation has repeatedly
been denied merging of her facility with other surplus facilities.
· Can you explain how you can justify denying jobs to blind people in a program designed to employ them?
· Can you provide any reasonable justification for withholding income from other blind persons when there are not enough
blind people trained to fill positions available.
· How can you explain the lack of planning that has led to this crisis.
· Can you plausibly deny that you may have had an inkling that there would be an early retirement incentive program?
Pat's Response
I first became aware of the possibility of the early retirement initiative in January 2010 when the Governor announced her
intentions at a news conference in Lansing. Her proposal, of course, could not be implemented until the legislator took action on
it and several months had passed and the legislation went through several iterations until it was finally enacted several weeks ago.
Some of our more experienced operators will be availing themselves of the early retirement available to state employees and this
will leave vacancies within the BEP. Staff has been working for some time to develop plans to address these vacancies. Some of
these steps are as follows:
-all applicants wishing to be considered as temporary operators must complete a full application and pass a state police background
check;
-BEP staff has been contacting VR staff to pursue interested clients and requesting that they complete this application;
-BEP staff has been communicating via the bid line requesting that operators seek out potential temporary operators, including
family members and retirees;
-BEP Staff and the EOC have been working to develop alternative training programs that would assist in placing blind individuals in
facilities while gaining training to enter into the program.
The BEP endeavors to place only those individuals that have food service experience into facilities in an effort to maximize service
and is especially interested in placing those individuals who have a vested interest in our program, individuals who are blind,
retired operators, or thus who are related to licensees. With this said, though, the BEP cannot place individuals who have
unresolved issues that we have been made aware of prior to their placement and we work to replace those persons who have prior or
current issues at their facilities as soon as possible. Unfortunately, past pools of temporary operators have prevented that in an
expedited fashion.
The BEP is aware of the struggles that temporary operators have had in its facilities in the past and is working on new methods to
resolve or prevent issues in this current climate. One of the steps that are being taken is that Promotional Agents will be
directed to make no less than one phone contact each week with temporary operators and no less then one in person visit every two
weeks to facilities that are being run by temporary operators. It is in this way that we hope to provide ongoing support and
supervision to those locations. Additionally, the EOC has begun discussions about licensees in other facilities working as mentors
for temporary operators in order to provide continuous support. While this plan is in the early stages, BEP staff always encourages
active participation from its licensees.
In regards to training the BEP has at least 4 current potential operators and 9 students who will be completing their training in
early February. As not all of the retirements within BEP will be taking place until the end of December, this only requires
temporary operators to operate many facilities for less than two months. Additionally, the BEP is planning to conduct another
training class in the spring and will continue to work with the EOC on alternative training methods as previously mentioned.
Further, Larry, you should be aware that the BEP is ensuring that each retiree not be required to stay even one day past their
intended retirement date. Licensees who have been awarded facilities being vacated by Retirees are being transitioned directly
into these locations as it is not fair to require people to work past the date that they intend to and, as such, the placement of
temporary operators is even more difficult because we are not sure what facilities will be vacant at what time. Regardless, the BEP
staff and EOC are committed to the continuous operation of its facilities and will work to ensure that these locations be preserved.
Question 3 and 3.5
It has been reported widely that you told Andy Levin that you did not fire Christine Boone because of the marksmanship class. So if
you did not fire her for the marksmanship class than what did you fire her for?
Question 3.5
Well Pat, if you can't discuss Christine or her case at this time, how is it that you have been able to talk about her, the
marksmanship class and related issues, with people like Andy Levin and Sherri Heibeck?
Pat's Response
As stated at the NFB Convention in October I am unable to address personnel matters which are in various stages of appeal.
Question 4
What is your classification under civil service? If it is an LTA, which is limited term appointment, when was it completed and who
approved it?
Pat's Response
This was among the many issues I addressed in my comments at the NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
Question 5
Blind students across the state encounter a wide variety of problems getting a quality education. Some districts do a good job
while others fail their blind pupils. We are aware of testing issues in 2 districts, currently. Through our encounters with blind
students from across the state we are aware that few of them are reasonably fluent in Braille and are not reading at grade level.
Public Act 260 states in part:
393.356 Employment and duties of educational consultants; informing commission of schools with visually handicapped students;
liaison and program coordination.
Sec. 6.(1) The commission may employ qualified educational consultants to assist public or private school teachers responsible for
teaching visually handicapped students.
Educational consultants shall assist public and private school teachers by providing methods and materials for teaching visually
handicapped students. The superintendent of public instruction shall inform the commission of the schools in which visually
handicapped students are enrolled.
(2) The director or a person designated by the director shall be the liaison between the commission, the schools for the blind, and
the superintendent of public instruction, and shall coordinate all programs affecting blind students.
I draw your attention to part 2 of this section. It says that you or your designee SHALL coordinate all programs for blind students
in Michigan. To our knowledge you play no such role, why not. Are you violating the law by not complying? Do you plan to begin to
follow the law? What is your plan to do so? Are you receiving a list of all schools where blind students attend? Does someone
from MCB meet these students and parents to help prepare them for the future? If the list is not provided, how do you intend to
gain access to it? What steps have you taken to get such a list?
Pat's Response
This was among the many issues I addressed in my comments at the NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
Question 6
The state accounting system, once known as MAIN (Michigan Administrative Information Network) has never been fully accessible to
blind state employees, some of whom need to use it in their job duties. There have been successful ADA lawsuits in other states on
this very topic, thus putting Michigan at risk for a similar suit. You have been the state ADA Coordinator for most of the Granholm
Administration. Many blind employees in MCB and throughout state government are prevented by this lack of accessibility from
competing on a level playing field with their sighted colleagues. What have you done to correct this violation of sections 504 and
508 of the Rehabilitation Act which you are directly responsible for, and the ADA, not to mention Michigan Public Act 220? Why
haven't you done more to resolve this issue? Is there any plan in motion to fix MAIN? What have you, personally done to fix this
problem? Is this a failure of your leadership as ADA coordinator? Why haven't you made this a top priority as ADA coordinator?
Pat's Response
This was among the many issues I addressed in my comments at the NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
Question 7
The Randolph-Sheppard Act requires "active participation" of blind operators in the "major administrative decisions" of the agency.
The Michigan legislature has passed a law that requires that Blind operators in the Business Enterprise Program be considered state
employees for retirement purposes. You allowed blind operators retirement to be reduced by 10%. There were no hearings; there was
no request to the Elected Operator's Committee to consider this major change. The Commission Board did not consider this change.
Under what authority did you take future income from blind retired operators? Why did you not properly enforce the
Randolph-Sheppard Act by requiring a full discussion of this change which reduces the incomes of blind people for years, by the
Elected Operators Committee and the Commission Board?
Pat's Response
This was among the many issues I addressed in my comments at the NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
Question 8
You personally travelled to the General Office Building at the state Secondary Complex and removed a blind person from her job with
no due process. Your illegal actions were rightfully overturned by the Commission Board. Why did you, personally, violate the
Randolph-Sheppard Act? When this was pointed out to you, why didn't you reverse your mistake? Was it because the operator was the
President of the Merchant's Division of the NFB? Were you retaliating against her for her advocacy on behalf of blind vendors to
enforce the catering policies and exclusive rights to sell food and related products on state property? Is the fact that the
violator was in the bureau of retirement and you were actively seeking to illegally reduce blind vendor's retirements?
Pat's Response
This was among the many issues I addressed in my comments at the NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
Question 9
You used your influence in the Democratic Party and in the Governor's office to remove Mark Eagle from the Commission Board through
the inexcusable use of an ethics investigation. Why did you choose a means of removing a Commissioner, a very young person who is
actively working to pursue public office, which besmirches his reputation and which will follow him for the rest of his life? Was
it because he was advocating on behalf of students who wished to fully participate in the development of a quality college policy?
Was it retaliation against his father who was advocating for blind vendors, some of whom were members of the NFB? Why did you
testify to the Ethics Board that the major duty of the Commission Board is to review BEP complaints? Is this your view of the role
of the Commission Board?
Pat's Response
This was among the many issues I addressed in my comments at the NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
Question 10
In October of 2009 the Governor ordered that Newsline funding be cut. The legislature acted on her order in January, yet you never
notified the NFB or Newsline officials of this critical matter. It was not until Newsline submitted a bill for services that the
Commission notified Newsline of the funding cut. You sit on the Governor's council. You are the primary state executive for
administrating the payment of Newsline costs. Did you do this to try to control the NFB by now offering a portion of the funding
and trying to make us beholden to you? Is this why you have told consumers that this is your personal decision and that Commission
Board members all toe the line and defer the decision to you? Are you playing politics with your authority and position to thwart
the advocacy of this organization? Do you really think we can be bought off with money for Newsline?
Pat's Response
The substantive questions regarding Newsline were fully addressed at the 2010 NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
Question 11
You have directly or indirectly caused all NFB members of your staff and leaders of the Business Enterprise Program to lose their
jobs. Why are you conducting an attack on this organization? Do you think our advocacy will be reduced by your bullying and
intimidation of our members? How can you justify your abuse of power by taking jobs and incomes away from good people who are
actively involved in working to improve conditions for blind people? What about your claims that MCB ought to be a consumer driven
agency when you are terrorizing blind people who speak up, whether on the Commission Board, The Business Enterprise Program or on
your staff?
Pat's Response
My relationship with NFB over the past many years was thoroughly addressed at the 2010 NFB Convention. And, as stated then, I
cannot respond to questions related to personnel matters in various stages of appeal.
Question 12
As you know, the Rehabilitation Services Administration has conducted a review of the MCB. To date, the results of this review are
not available to the public. You have refused to release the preliminary results of this review to the public, under the FOIA or
ADA. Why are you hiding this information? Will you release the preliminary report? When? Is there embarrassing or damaging
information in the report which you don't want out before the election?
Pat's Response
Actually, I received the Final RSA Monitoring report on November 8 and it was immediately posted and broadly distributed. It
remains on our website for inspection by anyone at any time. Prior to RSA's release of the final report it was their guidance that
the previous draft report remains confidential and not available for distribution.
Question 13
Why does the MCB not fully comply with the Rehabilitation Act by holding hearings on the required Plan updates?
Pat's Response
We do hold hearings on the State Plan as called for under RSA guidelines.
Question 14
Why did you send Commission reappointments in to the Governor so far in advance? Were you trying to get ahead of consumers who may
be interested in applying?
Pat's Response
As the MCB Director, it is not my role to initiate appointments or reappointments of Commissioners since these actions are taken by
the Governor's Appointment office. Since the Michigan Senate has rejected the reappointments by the Governor the Commission now has
only three Commissioners serving with two remaining vacancies. I have had no indication from the Governor's Appointment office as
to when these vacancies may be addressed.
Question 15
In sworn testimony a Commission counselor testified that she has had a total of 4 weeks of specific blindness training. The NFBM
approached the Commission Board to work to review and improve staff training. The Commission asked 2 consumers, 1 Commissioner and
1 MCB staff member to form a task force to work on this. You defiantly set up your own committee heavily loaded with MCB staff in
an attempt to dampen and thwart consumer input. Why did you set up a parallel committee when you were aware the Commission Board
was already working on this issue? Was this another attempt to interfere with the Commissioner's rightful role in policy
development? Do you think that 4 weeks of blindness training is adequate for a Commission counselor? Are you willing to cooperate
and participate in the Commission Board's plan to work on staff training?
Pat's Response
An internal committee to address succession planning, staff training and other staffing issues affected by early retirements was
established in early 2010. This planning effort was expanded to specifically address training on issues related to blindness and
will be continued at least through 2011 as called for in an objective adopted by Commissioners last December which states:
"Objective 5: Continue the work of the agency's committee to review and improve staff training, particularly training of new agency
staff. The committee also includes representation from the MCB Consumer Involvement Council (CIC), the Michigan Council of the
Blind and Visually Impaired (MCBVI) and the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) of Michigan. The committee's works includes a
focus on enhancing the understanding of blindness and issues facing blind persons, which is intended to assist staff in serving
clients most effectively. The progress on the committee's recommendations will be reported to Commissioners quarterly, with its
final report to Commissioners in December, 2011. "
Several recommendations from this Committee have already begun to be implemented and the Committee will be meeting next in late
March.
Question 16
Many times when controversies erupt, you or someone in leadership raises the specter that if we can't get along the Commission may
be merged with MRS. Is this a way to impede advocacy. Are you actively working on a plan to merge the 2 agencies? Is the Governor
of the DELEG director working on such a merger? Would you see this as a punishment to the NFB for our questioning of management
practices at MCB?
Pat's Response
As most people know, I have steadfastly advocated for the continuation of specialized services for the blind through a separate
blind rehab agency. While MCB has an excellent working relationship with the general agency, Michigan Rehabilitation Services
(MRS), you will be pleased to know that both Jaye Porter, the MRS Director, and myself continue to oppose a merger or consolidation.
Having said that, though, we should all be aware that thoughts and conversations of possibly merging the blind agency with the
general agency occur frequently in states where a separate blind agency exists.
Question 17
Why is staff continually telling clients that there is insufficient money to provide all the services they request while at the same
time you maintain huge surpluses of money? Why haven't you spent available money to help blind people get training equipment and
jobs as the legislature and congress have provided? Why have MCB staff called the NFBMI for donations of equipment for seniors when
there is more than a million dollar surplus in the account to fund senior blind programs? Is this a way to intimidate and control
blind clients?
Pat's Response
While no agency is big enough or wealthy enough to provide all of the things for people that they may want or need, the Commission
does receive a considerable amount of Federal and State funds to provide rehabilitation services to our clients. Although these
resources are not unlimited, we do have a responsibility to utilize them prudently in the best interest of all of the clients we
strive to serve well. Each of our clients is to be served on an individualized case by case basis in an effort to provide the
unique services they need to address their specific goals and their Individualized Plan for Employment (IPE). While I hope that
none of our staff would ever say that "we are broke" it is possible that our attempt at prudence may at times be misunderstood or
misinterpreted.
We are not aware of a Commission staff person asking NFB to donate computers for our clients, although a member of MCBVI has been
working on a project to make refurbished computers available to blind individuals. We continue to make computers and other
technology available to our clients and in this past year have increasingly made technology available to older blind clients.
Question 18
When do you plan to retire from MCB?
Pat's Response
I have no plans to retire in then near future.
Question 19
I commend the agency for finally seeking the input of consumers when working on updating the college policy. However, it seems as
though there was never an open honest dialog about the use of the new DELEG Financial Needs form. Can you explain why you and your
agency were not willing to have an open honest conversation with consumers about the use of this new form?
Pat's Response
The form itself was discussed along with the College Policy and was agreed upon at that same time.
Question 20
During the college review process, I heard you as well as members of your staff say that there are several state agencies that use a
form similar to the new DELEG Financial Needs form. Can you name any specific state vocational rehabilitation agencies that use a
form similar to the new DELEG Financial Needs form?
Pat's Response
In addition to Michigan Rehabilitation Services and the Michigan Commission for the Blind, other state agencies which utilize forms
related to financial needs, include Pennsylvania and Virginia.
Further, in speaking with Dr. Fred Schroeder on the subject he noted that New Mexico used such a form when he was there and said
that there are many other states which do so.
Question 21
Will you work with us to get an intern that would help at the library with Newsline, calling folks, teaching the system, etc. This
would give a blind person experience with a job and being supervised.
Pat's Response
You will be pleased to know that we have and are utilizing client interns at the Braille and Talking Book Library (BTBL) to assist
library patrons in better understanding BTBL services. As a long time supporter of Newsline, I will explore further with Sue
Chinault, our BTBL Manager, on ways in which we may further assist in promoting Newsline.
Question 22
Will you put NFB Newsline on the Web site and activity List?
Pat's Response
We have had links on the MCB website for the National Federation of the Blind as well as the National Federation of the Blind of
Michigan for many years and are pleased to continue doing so. As a result of this question, we have now added a special link to our
website for NFB Newsline and the link can be found under Resources/Other Resources/NFB Newsline.
Since the NFB Newsline is not an activity, per se, but rather a service or program, it would not seem appropriate to be listed on
our "Activity List" although we have information on Newsline available to Commission clients in many other ways and are pleased to
do so.
Question 23
Will you work with us to get a toll free number for Newsline.
Pat's Response
It is my understanding that a Toll Free number to access Newsline already exists: 1-888-882-1629.
Question 24
Will you encourage the board to be supportive of NFB Newsline and thus promote permanent funding.
Pat's Response
I believe that Commissioner's are already supportive of Newsline and, as I stated at the NFB Convention last fall, I will continue
to work with NFB leaders to identify potential sources for ongoing Newsline funding.
Question 25
Pat, how can you sleep at night, knowing that during the first 3 quarters of fiscal year 2010, MCB spent 130% of the budgeted amount
for administrative salaries and wages; and during the same time period, you spent just 2% of the available funds for services to the
older blind?
Pat's Response
The data presented in this question is not accurate and a more comprehensive picture of Commission services and expenditures can be
found in our 2010 Annual Report which can be accessed on the MCB website.
Question 26
The Commission for the Blind is supposed to be consumer driven. This important requirement is in some very important documents. How
do you see this being exemplified by the Commission today? How do you see the Commission being consumer driven in the future?
Pat's Response
As called for in PA 260 at least three of our Commissioners must be legally blind and we have consistently met or exceeded that
standard. Beyond this legal requirement, MCB invites and encourages consumer participation in several ways, including the Consumer
Involvement Council, Service Delivery Design Team, Technology Committee, Diversity Committee, Image and Identity Team and the
Planning and Quality Team. Further, one of the products from the MCB Ad Hoc Committee working on blindness training for Commission
staff, calls for the leaders of both NFB and MCBVI make presentations to new staff about their respective organizations. And these
meetings will begin within the next few weeks.
Question 27
Why have you so incredibly failed at your duty to manage the Business Enterprise Program.
Can you blame your employees when you have personally participated in the purging of the program of NFB members? By the way, all of
the examples above happen to be NFB members. Can you plausibly disagree that you have attacked and continue to blatantly
discriminate against people for being members of the NFB? Any denials of these points will be lies on their face.
Pat's Response
This was among the many issues I addressed in my comments at the NFB Convention, October 30, 2010.
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