[nfbmi-talk] teaching others and learning from others

Sun Dec 15 02:01:57 UTC 2013

Well, the rules about who needs to have some kind of certification or licensure came from the 1998 amendments to the Act, and the subsequently re-written regulations.  The regs contain the detail about the Comprehensive System of Personnel Development, at 34 CFR Section 361.18.  The section that describes what Congress and RSA envisioned as the result of the 1998 amendments and the requirements for qualified personnel.  
Basically each of the state agencies for persons with disabilities and/or persons who are blind, had to establish a plan for anticipating the staffing needs that they would have over the course of the next 5 years.  They also had to determine what they would establish as the minimum required credentials or licensure for a person who would be providing direct service to customers.  The licensure requirements would not apply to administrative staff, supervisors, assistant supervisors, directors and assistant directors, who are still not  bound by any such requirements.  

Because the plan was to be established by the state agency serving persons with disabilities; and the minimum level of licensure or certification was also established  by that agency, it is only required for employees of the agency itself.  Perhaps an agency could decide that it wanted to hold any and all of its contractors to the same standards, but this would likely be an unwise move, because it would impact the agency's ability to contract with a number of potential direct service providers within that state.  I do not know whether any agencies have done this.  

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On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Lydia Anne Schuck <lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu> wrote:

> Anything we do without asking for rehab funds can be done with no credentials.  However, if we asked for rehab funding, we need certifications, etc. as far as I know.  Is that right, Christine.  Or can one certified rehab teacher supervise people who are not certified.  BUT, I think we are just looking for a way to share skills among our members, for a start.  
> 
> Lydia Schuck, MSEd
> Research Associate, National Secondary Transition Technical Assistance Center
> Western Michigan University
> 1908 W. Michigan Avenue, Mailstop 5259
> Kalamazoo, MI  49008
> phone 269.387.5990
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry D. Eagle <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List' <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:47:49 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] how could it be done
> 
> So, if I have this correct, there would be no requirement for being
> certified or certification-eligible, if outside the state agency, such as a
> contractor?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Christine Boone
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 3:02 PM
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> Only if we are part of the Designated State Unit.  
> Take a look at the contractors here in Michigan, or in any state, and the
> rules of CSPD (The Comprehensive System of Personnel Development) do not
> apply to them.  
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Lydia Anne Schuck <lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> If we could, I bet we would do it.  Unfortunately, I think there are rules
> about how many of us would need to have degrees in Rehab.  Maybe Doug and
> Christine know how that would work.  
>> 
>> Lydia Schuck, MSEd
>> Research Associate, National Secondary Transition Technical Assistance
> Center
>> Western Michigan University
>> 1908 W. Michigan Avenue, Mailstop 5259
>> Kalamazoo, MI  49008
>> phone 269.387.5990
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marcus Simmons <president at map-n.org>
>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:58:45 -0500 (EST)
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] let's make an agency
>> 
>> Are you guy serious or pulling my leg?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Christine Boone" <christineboone2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] let's make an agency
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>> 
>>> Nice!  I love it.  I wonder how we would do if we created an agency, then
> 
>>> went to the feds and asked for the designation as the State's "Desugnated
> 
>>> State Agency (DSA) for the blind in Michigan?
>>> Christine
>>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Lydia Anne Schuck
> <lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Terry, Christine, and Derek,
>>>> I'll be your transition specialist!
>>>> 
>>>> Doesn't this sound like a Mickey Rooney movie.  The camp or school or 
>>>> whatever is about to crash and burn, and Mickey Rooney says, "Hey, I
> know 
>>>> what!  We can do a show!"  Then they rehearse and sell tickets.....oh, 
>>>> wait, the show is what is already happening in Lansing.  Let's do the 
>>>> real thing: effective rehabilitation services.
>>>> 
>>>> Lydia
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