[nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

Sat Sep 7 01:56:22 UTC 2013

Right on all counts.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 19:33
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

> Hi Terry,
>
> It would be silly to put a Tim Horton's in the Capitol.  There aren't 
> enough
> people in there on a daily basis to support the investment.  This is
> especially true when 1 considers how easy it will be to use the State 
> Plate
> as the commissary and simply bring stuff over as needed.  That is the 
> plan,
> I am willing to bet, it is the only economically practical idea.  The
> reporters and politicians don't understand food service.  Tim Horton's 
> does,
> despite what anyone else does.  They will advise the BS4BP on how to set
> things up.  Whether anyone from BS4BP understands or can follow directions
> is another matter.  I have confidence in Tim Horton's systems.  They have
> demonstrated their ability to make money.  The BS4BP, not so much.
>
> The choice of Tim Horton's was ill-advised because of the political
> implications of bringing in a Canadian company to compete with a local
> coffee business.  The idea of using state employees to operate a private
> franchise company is the most politically stupid and ethically 
> questionable
> idea imaginable.  BS4BP administration is naive, stupid, arrogant, 
> unethical
> and insensitive to its constituents and even those who may have supported
> them from inside the system.  I cannot believe that when Snider figures 
> out
> the political ramifications of this goofy idea that he won't drop it like 
> a
> hot potato.  On the other hand, maybe not.  This is not a winner for the
> Snider Administration, no matter how they try to spin it.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBMI-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Terry
> D. Eagle
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:04 PM
> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [NFBMI-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>
> The Capitol will simply be a satellite site of the Anderson office 
> building
> facility.  I doubt the enormous expenditure for the installation  of a
> ventilation system in the Capitol will be made.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe
> harcz Comcast
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:15 AM
> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>
> Actually the story alluded to a Tim Hortons franchise in the Anderson
> building, but said there would not be on in the Capitol, though clearly 
> they
>
> are linked.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
> To: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>; "VENDORSMI List"
> <vendorsmi at nfbnet.org>; "NFBMI List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>
>
>>I have the following from a reliable source:
>>
>> When a TV reporter and camera crew arrived at the BSBP Lansing Central
>> Office earlier today, Director Ed Rodgers ordered his Staff to say that 
>> he
>
>> was not present, while he hid in the conference room until the reporter
>> and crew left the office.
>>
>> Finally, if there are no plans for a Tim Horton's franchise, why is Bob
>> Essenberg in Canada now, possibly for up to 7 weeks?  Has anyone seen
>> Essenberg around the greater Lansing area lately?  If I were that
>> reporter, I'd be trying to speak with Bob Essenberg, the newly hired
>> 17-level Director of the Business Assistance and Development Program
>> (BADP) within the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons (BSBP).
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Joe Sontag
>>  To: VENDORSMI List ; NFBMI List
>>  Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 20:58
>>  Subject: Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>>
>>  State officials were reluctant to comment on reports regarding Tim 
>> Horton
>
>> products
>>  going into the state capitol.
>>  The Director of Services to the Blind was unavailable for comment on
>>  this story
>>  , as a cone of silence descended. An
>>  employee of the Michigan House and a state licensing department official
>> declined
>>  to talk, too, as they walked into a 2:30 strategy meeting on this issue
>> Thursday.
>>  There was one state official who did talk, but not on camera. He points
>> out, Tim
>>  Horton products would go into a room on the ground floor of the capitol,
>> but the
>>  Tim Horton sign would not. Tim Horton employees would not be running the
>> operation,
>>  but they would provide training to the visually impaired who would.
>>  However, the Tim Horton sign and products could end up in the House
>> office building,
>>  right across the street from coffee shop competitor Biggby.
>>  Bob Fish runs the Biggby franchises in the area and was not asked to bid
>> on the project.
>>  He is worried that franchisees may have their tax dollars subsidizing 
>> Tim
>
>> Horton.
>>  "I don't think its a matter of signage or not signage," said Fish. "All
>> of our Biggby coffees are taxpayers. It would feel a little awkward to us
>> that
>>  we are paying our taxes and maybe that project is being subsidized
>> somehow with our
>>  dollars. That sounds weird to me."
>>  As the licensing department director, Steve Arwood, came to the meeting,
>> he was not
>>  very forthcoming on what exactly was unfolding as he walked past our
>> camera.
>>  (Reporter) Mr. Director, would you help clarify what you are trying to
>> do.
>>  "Discussions are underway and no decision has been made," said Arwood.
>>  (Reporter) Do you want to put a franchise in there?
>>  "Discussions are underway," replied Arwood.
>>  (Reporter) Is the state going to pay a franchise fee?
>>  "No decisions have been made, Tim," said Arwood.
>>  Fish contends that if the state does not pay a franchise fee, he has "a
>> problem with that...
>>  it's unfair." We don't know if its unfair, because nobody was talking
>> about it.
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