[nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

joe harcz Comcast joeharcz at comcast.net
Sat Sep 7 13:07:15 UTC 2013


By the way is BSBP paying rent to the legislature for these entities?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
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> Right on all counts.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> To: <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>; "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" 
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 19:33
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>
>
>> Hi Terry,
>>
>> It would be silly to put a Tim Horton's in the Capitol.  There aren't 
>> enough
>> people in there on a daily basis to support the investment.  This is
>> especially true when 1 considers how easy it will be to use the State 
>> Plate
>> as the commissary and simply bring stuff over as needed.  That is the 
>> plan,
>> I am willing to bet, it is the only economically practical idea.  The
>> reporters and politicians don't understand food service.  Tim Horton's 
>> does,
>> despite what anyone else does.  They will advise the BS4BP on how to set
>> things up.  Whether anyone from BS4BP understands or can follow 
>> directions
>> is another matter.  I have confidence in Tim Horton's systems.  They have
>> demonstrated their ability to make money.  The BS4BP, not so much.
>>
>> The choice of Tim Horton's was ill-advised because of the political
>> implications of bringing in a Canadian company to compete with a local
>> coffee business.  The idea of using state employees to operate a private
>> franchise company is the most politically stupid and ethically 
>> questionable
>> idea imaginable.  BS4BP administration is naive, stupid, arrogant, 
>> unethical
>> and insensitive to its constituents and even those who may have supported
>> them from inside the system.  I cannot believe that when Snider figures 
>> out
>> the political ramifications of this goofy idea that he won't drop it like 
>> a
>> hot potato.  On the other hand, maybe not.  This is not a winner for the
>> Snider Administration, no matter how they try to spin it.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBMI-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Terry
>> D. Eagle
>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:04 PM
>> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [NFBMI-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>> The Capitol will simply be a satellite site of the Anderson office 
>> building
>> facility.  I doubt the enormous expenditure for the installation  of a
>> ventilation system in the Capitol will be made.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>> harcz Comcast
>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:15 AM
>> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>> Actually the story alluded to a Tim Hortons franchise in the Anderson
>> building, but said there would not be on in the Capitol, though clearly 
>> they
>>
>> are linked.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>; "VENDORSMI List"
>> <vendorsmi at nfbnet.org>; "NFBMI List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>>
>>>I have the following from a reliable source:
>>>
>>> When a TV reporter and camera crew arrived at the BSBP Lansing Central
>>> Office earlier today, Director Ed Rodgers ordered his Staff to say that 
>>> he
>>
>>> was not present, while he hid in the conference room until the reporter
>>> and crew left the office.
>>>
>>> Finally, if there are no plans for a Tim Horton's franchise, why is Bob
>>> Essenberg in Canada now, possibly for up to 7 weeks?  Has anyone seen
>>> Essenberg around the greater Lansing area lately?  If I were that
>>> reporter, I'd be trying to speak with Bob Essenberg, the newly hired
>>> 17-level Director of the Business Assistance and Development Program
>>> (BADP) within the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons (BSBP).
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: Joe Sontag
>>>  To: VENDORSMI List ; NFBMI List
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 20:58
>>>  Subject: Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>>
>>>
>>>  State officials were reluctant to comment on reports regarding Tim 
>>> Horton
>>
>>> products
>>>  going into the state capitol.
>>>  The Director of Services to the Blind was unavailable for comment on
>>>  this story
>>>  , as a cone of silence descended. An
>>>  employee of the Michigan House and a state licensing department 
>>> official
>>> declined
>>>  to talk, too, as they walked into a 2:30 strategy meeting on this issue
>>> Thursday.
>>>  There was one state official who did talk, but not on camera. He points
>>> out, Tim
>>>  Horton products would go into a room on the ground floor of the 
>>> capitol,
>>> but the
>>>  Tim Horton sign would not. Tim Horton employees would not be running 
>>> the
>>> operation,
>>>  but they would provide training to the visually impaired who would.
>>>  However, the Tim Horton sign and products could end up in the House
>>> office building,
>>>  right across the street from coffee shop competitor Biggby.
>>>  Bob Fish runs the Biggby franchises in the area and was not asked to 
>>> bid
>>> on the project.
>>>  He is worried that franchisees may have their tax dollars subsidizing 
>>> Tim
>>
>>> Horton.
>>>  "I don't think its a matter of signage or not signage," said Fish. "All
>>> of our Biggby coffees are taxpayers. It would feel a little awkward to 
>>> us
>>> that
>>>  we are paying our taxes and maybe that project is being subsidized
>>> somehow with our
>>>  dollars. That sounds weird to me."
>>>  As the licensing department director, Steve Arwood, came to the 
>>> meeting,
>>> he was not
>>>  very forthcoming on what exactly was unfolding as he walked past our
>>> camera.
>>>  (Reporter) Mr. Director, would you help clarify what you are trying to
>>> do.
>>>  "Discussions are underway and no decision has been made," said Arwood.
>>>  (Reporter) Do you want to put a franchise in there?
>>>  "Discussions are underway," replied Arwood.
>>>  (Reporter) Is the state going to pay a franchise fee?
>>>  "No decisions have been made, Tim," said Arwood.
>>>  Fish contends that if the state does not pay a franchise fee, he has "a
>>> problem with that...
>>>  it's unfair." We don't know if its unfair, because nobody was talking
>>> about it.
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