[nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but

Sat Sep 7 15:58:56 UTC 2013

I'm not sure.  Fred probably knows.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
To: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>; "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing 
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> By the way is BSBP paying rent to the legislature for these entities?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
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> <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:56 PM
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>
>
>> Right on all counts.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
>> To: <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>; "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" 
>> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 19:33
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>
>>
>>> Hi Terry,
>>>
>>> It would be silly to put a Tim Horton's in the Capitol.  There aren't 
>>> enough
>>> people in there on a daily basis to support the investment.  This is
>>> especially true when 1 considers how easy it will be to use the State 
>>> Plate
>>> as the commissary and simply bring stuff over as needed.  That is the 
>>> plan,
>>> I am willing to bet, it is the only economically practical idea.  The
>>> reporters and politicians don't understand food service.  Tim Horton's 
>>> does,
>>> despite what anyone else does.  They will advise the BS4BP on how to set
>>> things up.  Whether anyone from BS4BP understands or can follow 
>>> directions
>>> is another matter.  I have confidence in Tim Horton's systems.  They 
>>> have
>>> demonstrated their ability to make money.  The BS4BP, not so much.
>>>
>>> The choice of Tim Horton's was ill-advised because of the political
>>> implications of bringing in a Canadian company to compete with a local
>>> coffee business.  The idea of using state employees to operate a private
>>> franchise company is the most politically stupid and ethically 
>>> questionable
>>> idea imaginable.  BS4BP administration is naive, stupid, arrogant, 
>>> unethical
>>> and insensitive to its constituents and even those who may have 
>>> supported
>>> them from inside the system.  I cannot believe that when Snider figures 
>>> out
>>> the political ramifications of this goofy idea that he won't drop it 
>>> like a
>>> hot potato.  On the other hand, maybe not.  This is not a winner for the
>>> Snider Administration, no matter how they try to spin it.
>>>
>>> Warm Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFBMI-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Terry
>>> D. Eagle
>>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:04 PM
>>> To: 'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [NFBMI-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>>
>>> The Capitol will simply be a satellite site of the Anderson office 
>>> building
>>> facility.  I doubt the enormous expenditure for the installation  of a
>>> ventilation system in the Capitol will be made.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>>> harcz Comcast
>>> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:15 AM
>>> To: Joe Sontag; NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>>
>>> Actually the story alluded to a Tim Hortons franchise in the Anderson
>>> building, but said there would not be on in the Capitol, though clearly 
>>> they
>>>
>>> are linked.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Joe Sontag" <suncat0 at gmail.com>; "VENDORSMI List"
>>> <vendorsmi at nfbnet.org>; "NFBMI List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have the following from a reliable source:
>>>>
>>>> When a TV reporter and camera crew arrived at the BSBP Lansing Central
>>>> Office earlier today, Director Ed Rodgers ordered his Staff to say that 
>>>> he
>>>
>>>> was not present, while he hid in the conference room until the reporter
>>>> and crew left the office.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, if there are no plans for a Tim Horton's franchise, why is Bob
>>>> Essenberg in Canada now, possibly for up to 7 weeks?  Has anyone seen
>>>> Essenberg around the greater Lansing area lately?  If I were that
>>>> reporter, I'd be trying to speak with Bob Essenberg, the newly hired
>>>> 17-level Director of the Business Assistance and Development Program
>>>> (BADP) within the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons (BSBP).
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>  From: Joe Sontag
>>>>  To: VENDORSMI List ; NFBMI List
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 20:58
>>>>  Subject: Paper says "No plans for Tim Horton's," but
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  State officials were reluctant to comment on reports regarding Tim 
>>>> Horton
>>>
>>>> products
>>>>  going into the state capitol.
>>>>  The Director of Services to the Blind was unavailable for comment on
>>>>  this story
>>>>  , as a cone of silence descended. An
>>>>  employee of the Michigan House and a state licensing department 
>>>> official
>>>> declined
>>>>  to talk, too, as they walked into a 2:30 strategy meeting on this 
>>>> issue
>>>> Thursday.
>>>>  There was one state official who did talk, but not on camera. He 
>>>> points
>>>> out, Tim
>>>>  Horton products would go into a room on the ground floor of the 
>>>> capitol,
>>>> but the
>>>>  Tim Horton sign would not. Tim Horton employees would not be running 
>>>> the
>>>> operation,
>>>>  but they would provide training to the visually impaired who would.
>>>>  However, the Tim Horton sign and products could end up in the House
>>>> office building,
>>>>  right across the street from coffee shop competitor Biggby.
>>>>  Bob Fish runs the Biggby franchises in the area and was not asked to 
>>>> bid
>>>> on the project.
>>>>  He is worried that franchisees may have their tax dollars subsidizing 
>>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> Horton.
>>>>  "I don't think its a matter of signage or not signage," said Fish. 
>>>> "All
>>>> of our Biggby coffees are taxpayers. It would feel a little awkward to 
>>>> us
>>>> that
>>>>  we are paying our taxes and maybe that project is being subsidized
>>>> somehow with our
>>>>  dollars. That sounds weird to me."
>>>>  As the licensing department director, Steve Arwood, came to the 
>>>> meeting,
>>>> he was not
>>>>  very forthcoming on what exactly was unfolding as he walked past our
>>>> camera.
>>>>  (Reporter) Mr. Director, would you help clarify what you are trying to
>>>> do.
>>>>  "Discussions are underway and no decision has been made," said Arwood.
>>>>  (Reporter) Do you want to put a franchise in there?
>>>>  "Discussions are underway," replied Arwood.
>>>>  (Reporter) Is the state going to pay a franchise fee?
>>>>  "No decisions have been made, Tim," said Arwood.
>>>>  Fish contends that if the state does not pay a franchise fee, he has 
>>>> "a
>>>> problem with that...
>>>>  it's unfair." We don't know if its unfair, because nobody was talking
>>>> about it.
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