[nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy

Sun Feb 2 22:57:57 UTC 2014

Just as a quick clarification, my biggest issue is the practice of 
submitting a FOIA request and then doing a CC or carbon copy to this 
list. THis makes it appear that the NFB of Michigan is involved, and 
this is simply not true. This is a gross misrepresentation of our 
organization and is grounds for list removal at the very least, IMHO.

Best regards,
J.J.

On 1/31/2014 10:45 PM, Fred Wurtzel wrote:
> Hello David,
>
> Fundamentally, I agree with you.  I do not find it necessary to se 3 or 4 of
> the same messages in a row on the same topic to the same people as adding
> anything to my knowledge.  After all, how many rejections of perfectly
> reasonable FOIA requests do we need to see to get the idea that the agency
> is corrupt and not cooperative with blind consumers.  Most of us are pretty
> sharp people.  We do not need a hundred examples before we get the point.
> If we wish to build a record in a public venue, perhaps we could start a new
> list for that purpose. To me this is a much narrower and specialized
> endeavor.  If a public record is the point, then, we could easily
> accommodate that without filling up our list with this material.  Again,,
> clearly, there are differences of opinion on the best use for andd content
> on, our NFBMI list. It is my own opinion that we are not making best use of
> our list and that is not benefiting our members or our public outreach
> possibilities as it is currently operating.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Fred
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
> Robinson
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>
> Dear Fred,
>
>     As a member and a NFB of Michigan board member, I appreciate all the
> information I recieve from the list.  It may be  a lot of information but
> most of it is very important for us, as leaders in the NFBMi, to understand
> and learn.  I choose to take all information on the list and absorb what I
> want and disgard what i not. For me, the more information the better, and
> please don't forget it is my right to post information even though it may
> not be important to you.  I place different information into different
> folders sometimes thinking even though this information is not new or
> critical at the moment, it may be of use at some point.
>     I for one would welcome even more postings from members on information
> that is important to them.  We all have to keep our own mailbox inorder and
> not expect someone to do it for us.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>
>
>> Hello J.J.,
>>
>> I do agree that the excessive and redundant volume of FOIA requests and
>> then
>> the resulting correspondences does little to benefit the purpose of this
>> list.  The knowledge of the need for information and the information about
>> the lack of responsiveness is valuable information but can simply be
>> summarized by a quick note to the list that such and such documents are
>> supposed to be available and are not.  An analysis of the state of access
>> relative to a building or report can also be useful, but the pages and
>> pages
>> of repetitious material detracts from the appropriate communication among
>> members about the matters of this organization and this list.  Anyone may
>> start their own list to publicize their issue.  This list belongs to us
>> and
>> we have the right to determine the content of the list.  I am not
>> suggesting
>> we limit the views of any member, only the kind of content we publish.
>> For
>> that matter, we could start a list for governmental communications where
>> such things could be published and discussed.  I would not oppose such a
>> list.  I feel the excessive amount of governmental communications and
>> complaints posted here have pretty much eliminated any ongoing
>> conversations
>> among our members.
>>
>> We have a board meeting coming up.  This would be a good place for such a
>> proposal.  A discussion among our members, there, would determine our
>> policy
>> in an appropriate and democratic way.
>>
>> Good idea, J.J..
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joe
>> harcz Comcast
>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:45 PM
>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>
>> Access is a civil right!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:41 PM
>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>
>>
>>> I'd like to propose a list policy that we do not allow official
>>> government
>>> business, FOIA requests, etc. to be sent and then copied or forwarded to
>>> this list. In addition to the potential overload of email it creates, it
>>> has the possibility  of giving the impression that the NFB of Michigan is
>>> a party to the request where it was not. This is potentially damaging to
>>> our reputation and may hinder the progress that we are trying to make.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards,
>>> J.J.
>>>
>>>
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