[nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy

Sun Feb 2 23:19:57 UTC 2014

Again I refer you to the position papers, resolutions, etc. on this matter 
for guidance.

And your comments about grounds for list removal are simply out of line, 
period and end of story and what I am so bloody offended about.

As again I'm doing the business of the federation, blind persons etc.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy

> Just as a quick clarification, my biggest issue is the practice of 
> submitting a FOIA request and then doing a CC or carbon copy to this list. 
> THis makes it appear that the NFB of Michigan is involved, and this is 
> simply not true. This is a gross misrepresentation of our organization and 
> is grounds for list removal at the very least, IMHO.
>
>
> Best regards,
> J.J.
>
> On 1/31/2014 10:45 PM, Fred Wurtzel wrote:
>> Hello David,
>>
>> Fundamentally, I agree with you.  I do not find it necessary to se 3 or 4 
>> of
>> the same messages in a row on the same topic to the same people as adding
>> anything to my knowledge.  After all, how many rejections of perfectly
>> reasonable FOIA requests do we need to see to get the idea that the 
>> agency
>> is corrupt and not cooperative with blind consumers.  Most of us are 
>> pretty
>> sharp people.  We do not need a hundred examples before we get the point.
>> If we wish to build a record in a public venue, perhaps we could start a 
>> new
>> list for that purpose. To me this is a much narrower and specialized
>> endeavor.  If a public record is the point, then, we could easily
>> accommodate that without filling up our list with this material.  Again,,
>> clearly, there are differences of opinion on the best use for andd 
>> content
>> on, our NFBMI list. It is my own opinion that we are not making best use 
>> of
>> our list and that is not benefiting our members or our public outreach
>> possibilities as it is currently operating.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> David
>> Robinson
>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:10 PM
>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>
>> Dear Fred,
>>
>>     As a member and a NFB of Michigan board member, I appreciate all the
>> information I recieve from the list.  It may be  a lot of information but
>> most of it is very important for us, as leaders in the NFBMi, to 
>> understand
>> and learn.  I choose to take all information on the list and absorb what 
>> I
>> want and disgard what i not. For me, the more information the better, and
>> please don't forget it is my right to post information even though it may
>> not be important to you.  I place different information into different
>> folders sometimes thinking even though this information is not new or
>> critical at the moment, it may be of use at some point.
>>     I for one would welcome even more postings from members on 
>> information
>> that is important to them.  We all have to keep our own mailbox inorder 
>> and
>> not expect someone to do it for us.
>>
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at att.net>
>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>
>>
>>> Hello J.J.,
>>>
>>> I do agree that the excessive and redundant volume of FOIA requests and
>>> then
>>> the resulting correspondences does little to benefit the purpose of this
>>> list.  The knowledge of the need for information and the information 
>>> about
>>> the lack of responsiveness is valuable information but can simply be
>>> summarized by a quick note to the list that such and such documents are
>>> supposed to be available and are not.  An analysis of the state of 
>>> access
>>> relative to a building or report can also be useful, but the pages and
>>> pages
>>> of repetitious material detracts from the appropriate communication 
>>> among
>>> members about the matters of this organization and this list.  Anyone 
>>> may
>>> start their own list to publicize their issue.  This list belongs to us
>>> and
>>> we have the right to determine the content of the list.  I am not
>>> suggesting
>>> we limit the views of any member, only the kind of content we publish.
>>> For
>>> that matter, we could start a list for governmental communications where
>>> such things could be published and discussed.  I would not oppose such a
>>> list.  I feel the excessive amount of governmental communications and
>>> complaints posted here have pretty much eliminated any ongoing
>>> conversations
>>> among our members.
>>>
>>> We have a board meeting coming up.  This would be a good place for such 
>>> a
>>> proposal.  A discussion among our members, there, would determine our
>>> policy
>>> in an appropriate and democratic way.
>>>
>>> Good idea, J.J..
>>>
>>> Warm Regards,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbmi-talk [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joe
>>> harcz Comcast
>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:45 PM
>>> To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>
>>> Access is a civil right!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Proposed Mailing List Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'd like to propose a list policy that we do not allow official
>>>> government
>>>> business, FOIA requests, etc. to be sent and then copied or forwarded 
>>>> to
>>>> this list. In addition to the potential overload of email it creates, 
>>>> it
>>>> has the possibility  of giving the impression that the NFB of Michigan 
>>>> is
>>>> a party to the request where it was not. This is potentially damaging 
>>>> to
>>>> our reputation and may hinder the progress that we are trying to make.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> J.J.
>>>>
>>>>
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