[NFBMO] trial work months

Thu Dec 21 03:37:04 UTC 2023

Unfortunately, there is no limit on how far back they can or will go. About five
years ago they came after me for alleged overpayments that went back as far as
1986. Luckily for me, I was able to prove that  I had been granted a waiver
previously on that  amount as I had kept my letter from way back then. 

There are three options:

Repay in installments if the overpayment is large I have seen them agree to as
much as five years.

Request a administrative hearing but there are strict time limits on this and if
they have previously notified  you of the overpayment  the hearing window is
likely closed.

Thirdly, you can request a waiver in which case you must prove to their
satisfaction that  you cannot afford to repay the money. They may  request you to
provide copies of all of your bills but at the very least you will have to list
all of your obligations.  You will get one of three responses approval, denial or
they will set-up a repayment program. If you are denied outright they will want a
check immediately. 

Gene Coulter

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Hi,

A few people want to know is there a statute of limitations of how long the ssa
has to persue repayment of ssdi checks such as 10 or 20 years?

Bryan

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Here is a link from SSA  which confirms the rolling 9 months within 60 months.
Also, the TWP limit  was $200.00 a month from 1990 through 2000. The POMS contains
the official regulations for SSA . 

Gene 

1.      <https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.NSF/lnx/0413010060> secure.ssa.gov >
apps10 > pomsDI 13010.060 Determining Trial Work Period (TWP) Service ...

Oct 19, 2023 . Effective 01/1992, a TWP is complete only when a beneficiary for
disability insurance benefits (DIB), disabled widow's benefits (DWB), or childhood
disability benefits (CDB) completes nine service months within a 60 consecutive
month rolling period.

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Hello,

I thought the number was 48 months.

Is this a law and can you point to where to read about it?

Any idea what the dollar amount was back in 1999?

Thanks,

Bryan

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Yes! I understand it. But, I am not sure you will anybetter after I attempt to
explain it.

The trial work period (TWP) is designed to allowed a disabled person to go to work
and see if they are able to do the job without immediately losing their SSDI
benefits. This does not apply to SSI.

When you get a job and earn in excess of $1,050 a month (in 2024) you would use up
a month of TWP. There is no limit to the amount you are allowed to earn during TWP
months. 

The TWP lasts for 9 months and they do not have to be used consecutively.  Any
month your earnings fall below the limit you wouldn't use a TWP month.

If you do not use the TWP up within a five year period the earliest months roll
off. Example if you used four TWP months from December of 2018 through March 2019
and four more this year the  December 2018 month would roll off this month so that
now you have only used 7 months instead  of 8. Importantly, once you have used the
9th month the TWP is forever gone as long as you are receiving SSDI with a very
rare exception (like you regain your sight and after going back to work in rare
cases you have   a totally different disability).

Once you complete the TWP as a blind person you can earn up to$2,590.00 a month in
2024 and still get SSDI. One last point the next couple of months after completing
TWP are called a work adjustment period and checks are still issued. But, remember
to report your income.

Hope this helps more than it confuses.

Gene Coulter

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Subject: [NFBMO] trial work months

Hello,

Does someone understand the trial work system?

Bryan

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