[NFBMT] printer/scanner

Sat May 19 22:20:12 UTC 2018

I ordered a stand for my KNFB reader but I have since misplaced it.  My iPad
and my iPhone are both in protective cases which block the camera lens, so I
think I have to take them out of their cases to use the KNFB reader or stand.

There are stand-alone print readers and other smaller devices that can read
print as well.  You don't necessarily have to have a flatbed scanner hooked
to your computer like we do.

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Subject: Re: [NFBMT] printer/scanner

What you are saying then is I can move important programs to the cloud threw
drop box?
Wow that would be cool.
I have drop box but don't know how to use it

Original message:
> The KNFB Reader app on my Android devices works well for me, but it
> does take some practice.  A user has to get accustomed to holding the
> phone or tablet correctly to get the best results.  Also, I purchased
> a stand from Amazon that holds my phone steady at the correct distance
> for taking the photo.  Lastly, lighting conditions make a big difference,
too.

> Computing is moving away from a PC-based technology to cloud-based
> technology.  The cloud simply consists of servers that store data and
> provide applications online, so instead of working from a local drive
> on your computer, your drives are remote.  Mobile technology is
> quickly overtaking the PC model.  In the future, but not quite yet,
> our screen readers will most likely be built into whatever operating
> system our device uses.  For example, for Apple IOS, it's Voiceover.
> For Android, it's Talkback.  For Microsoft, it's Narrator, and for Chrome
OS, it's ChromeVox.
> I think Jaws and NVDA will eventually fade away in favor of these
> built-in screen readers.  It's going to take a while yet, especially
> for Narrator to catch up, but I bet we aren't far from the change.
> What's really cool about this is that blind people enjoy immediate
> access to what our sighted peers take for granted.  We already can buy
> and use mainstream devices right off the same store shelf, and it's
> only a matter of time before this will be the norm for Windows, too.

> Going back to KNFB Reader, the thing that makes it work for me is that
> I use the cloud to store information, and I can access the cloud with
> any of my devices, including my PC.  I don't have to mess with file
> transfers.  I simply go to a cloud site like Dropbox, One Drive, or
> Google Drive, and access my files there.  I continue to use my PC for
> serious work, but this is because the mobile options are not quite
> fully reliable for me yet, which is caused by a combination of my own
> lack of mobile skills and weaknesses in under-developed mobile
> options.  Thing is, though, the mobile stuff gets updated rapidly.
> What might be a barrier one day can go away with an update.  Of
> course, the converse can be true, too, in that an update can break
accessibility.

> Best!

> Jim Marks
> Blind.grizzly at gmail.com
> (406) 438-1421

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFBMT [mailto:nfbmt-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Edward
> Robbins via NFBMT
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 5:01 PM
> To: 'NFB of Montana Discussion List' <nfbmt at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Edward Robbins <ecrobbins517 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFBMT] printer/scanner

> Joy,
>         You covered several subjects here, and I would like to comment
> on several.  Scanners and a program like Open Book is great.  I am
> fortunate, in that Anna does most of our reading, but when she isn't
> here I can do it myself.  As for Mortgage and other recurring
> payments, they can be set up for automatic payments so you don't forget and
get hit with "penalty's".
> Several years ago we changed our recurring payments, (utilities,
> phones, Mortgage, NFB PAC, Insurance, etc.) to automatic ACH payments
> from the bank, or Charge to my Credit card, which I gain points from
> with each charge.  The credit card is then the only payment we have to
> remember and we set this up for payment to be taken out of our bank
> account 2 or 3 days before it is due.  If you maintain a balance on
> your credit card, this too can be set up for "Auto Pay" and have a
> regular amount paid each month.  You only have to remember that you
> have limited funds left in the bank for discretionary purchases, such as
food, clothing and other necessities of life.
>         FYI, after a few years, I have earned enough points that I can
> purchase, or Help purchase my air tickets to attend the National
convention.
> It is kind of like a savings account.  Not a lot, but every little bit
> helps.
>         As for maintaining records, the computer is good, especially
> if you "back up" your computer occasionally.  You can do this with an
> external hard drive, or if not that, even a portable "thumb drive)
> works.  Before I was working so much with the computer I used my
> Braille N Speak and after one of my crashes, one of my boys told me
> that I needed to "back up" the thing as often as I didn't want to
> loose the information.  You can do this with the external hard drive
> to "automatically" back up weekly, daily, or any period you choose.
>         As a Christian, I have been reminded several times that even
> "JESUS SAVES".
>         Each of us needs to use the system that works best for us,
> whether a Braille record, Computer "backed up" or a paper trail.

> Ted

> EDWARD C "TED" ROBBINS, E-MAIL:  ecrobbins517 at gmail.com CEO MBEI &
> Treasurer NFB of Montana PHONE & FAX:  406 453 6678, CELL:  406 799
> 6268
> 104 RIVERVIEW 5 E
> GREAT FALLS  MT   59404

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> We have a room set up in our house like an office where we have a
> computer desk with a computer, a phone, and a printer/scanner.  We had
> a reader once in Great Falls but when she got married and moved away,
> we never found another one.  It has been so helpful for us to have
> access to a printer/scanner that we can use with OpenBook to read the
> mail on a daily basis, and do our banking online.  I know everybody
> doesn't have this setup, but it works well for us.  It keeps the
> paperwork down, lets us know what is and isn't junk mail, and we can
> pay our bills or schedule them to be paid when we want them to go out,
> and determine how much they get.  That way other people and their
> schedules and editorial comments don't need to be involved.
> Each of us knows exactly what we have at all times, since we keep a
> running balance in Braille in a notebook.  We do this as a team.  I
> love it.  I haven't had a lot of success with the KNFB reader yet, but
> that would be a good option as well for scanning and reading the mail.
> Our system works well for us unless we receive something that is
> handwritten.  I know people who keep an expense ledger in a Braille
> device or on a computer that can be read with a Braille device.  I
> don't trust the computer any more since it has crashed on me more than
> once and I can't afford to lose irreplaceable information.  I also
> know people who keep notes in their Victor Stream or in their head, or
> call the phone banking.  I don't go by the phone bank because there
> are always things that haven't cleared yet.  You can't afford to make
> mistakes and forget things, so it is hard to keep tabs on it if you
> only use your memory.  Once, even though I was using the
> write-it-down-in-a-Braille-notebook method, I forgot to deduct the
> mortgage payment and wondered where all the extra money came from.
> Oops, make that twice.  I'd like to say I'll never do that again, but
> I think that's what I said the first time.  I think it's really
> important for blind people to learn home management and how to handle
> finances.  I would bet that most of us have never had any training on
> it.  I didn't take any courses on it in school.  I know my parents
> didn't give me much advice, but the advice they did give me I fortunately
heeded, and that was to write everything down in a notebook.
> Maybe that was the only time I heeded their advice.  One thing about
> braille, unless you have a fire or a flood, you're not likely to lose
> the information like you would in a computer crash.

> Joy Breslauer, President

> National Federation of the Blind of Montana

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