[Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted asUber is?

Wed Feb 4 20:03:02 UTC 2015

I agree that race or sex is not a choice but to live in America is a
choice.  If you want to live here you follow the laws here.  You also
have a choice about whether you accept or reject others no matter what
your race or sex.  I think a great question was asked and, if anyone
wants to use that transportation it should be open to all.  I know a
woman from South Korea who has a guide dog so should she be denied
services?  I don't want to challenge anyone just to challenge them but
they can't discriminate.

On 2/4/15, Angel via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Race or sex is not a choice.  Our choice to use animals as service or guides
> is a voluntary choice we each make.  So comparing the two is wrong.  I would
> agree with making an issue regarding this companies choice not to provide
> accommodation for guides if there were no other means of transport
> available.  But, this is not the case.  Many Asians feel dogs are unclean,
> and many eat them in their countries.  Should we make them feel
> uncomfortable riding with us transport appealing to them.  Particularly if
> they aren't well acquainted with either our language or customs just to make
> a point?  When there are other more attractive choices for us to make
> regarding transport?  I say, we should leave their transport alone, and ride
> other forms of transport.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CHRIS TOLLE via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>; "Ohio Association of Guide Dog
> Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
> asUber is?
>
>
>> Morning sir,
>>
>> When God made me, he added an extra layer of hard headedness.  I believe
>> that every time we allow any service, organization,  company, group or
>> entity  of any kind to ignore our rights as  citizens  of the USA, we
>> weaken  our ability to enforce  the rights that we have achieved over the
>> past 25 years of ADA.   We must stand up to such  flagrant  disregard for
>> the LAW.  If they were to refuse service to someone because of their color
>>
>> or age,  the world would be outraged & marching on the mall in DC.  As
>> they should.  So should we.   We must change the world we live in now for
>> the better so that my son, who has an eye issue, doesn’t have to face the
>> same kind of treatment as I do, we do.
>>
>> I wouldn’t  ride this bus or use this service but…. I would totally ware
>> them out  with the law.  We have a strong voice if we unify & stand as one
>>
>> loud voice.  We are not here to ask “Please sir, can I have some more.”
>> We are demanding our equal place at the table & all rights & privileges
>> afforded to the rest of the folks at the table.
>>
>> tollebooth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Deanna Lewis via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Chaim,
>>> I have never heard of this bus service. Do you by any chance remember the
>>>
>>> name of it? Do they advertise to the public, or mostly to the Asian
>>> population? Please don't misinterpret what I am asking, I am just trying
>>> to understand this company better, I am not trying to be prejudice.
>>> The whole thing sounds shifty, and I don't think I would enjoy riding on
>>> this service with or without a dog.
>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chaim B. Segal
>>>
>>> via Oagdu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 11:41 PM
>>> To: oagdu at nfbnet.org; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted as
>>> Uber is?
>>>
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> As I have been reading the posts on these lists concerning Uber's
>>> hearing, a thought is dawning on me which I thought I would put out
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Over the past few years, it seems as though we have had a major increase
>>> of Chinese immigrants to Ohio. I'm not sure how many of these people will
>>>
>>> actually stay around, or how many of them are temporary residents. My
>>> apartment complex is swarming with students from the University of
>>> Dayton, whose millionaire parents are paying for them to attend school
>>> here. I don't think that this group has anything to do with the folks I
>>> am mentioning below.
>>>
>>> Before moving to Brooklyn last year, my oldest brother brought it to our
>>> attention that there is now a Chinese bus service which travels between
>>> Dayton, Cincinnati, and New York City.  Why only these three cities I
>>> don't know. Perhaps they stop in other places. Anyway, I was going to use
>>>
>>> this service to take a trip, and researched the operation online. I
>>> called their phone number, and asked the Chinese bloke who answered the
>>> phone a few things about their service. As I expected, they had a no pets
>>>
>>> policy. I then asked them if they were aware of the rights of guide dog
>>> users to be accompanied by their guide dogs in travel. The fellow had
>>> never heard of guide dog use before. He was adamant that I cannot travel
>>> on his service with a dog. Before this, I asked him if I could be given
>>> assistance off the bus at rest stops, and he said "no."
>>>
>>> I reported my finding to Seeing Eye, and I believe it was Walt Sutton who
>>>
>>> tried to give them a call. The number I passed on to him (which I forget)
>>>
>>> turned out to be that of a Chinese Restaurant. He recommended that I just
>>>
>>> not bother with this service, as for all anybody knows, they may be
>>> operating somewhat illegally anyway.
>>>
>>> My oldest brother paid us a visit over the summer and used this Chinese
>>> bus service to get himself back to New York. Before using it, he thought
>>> it might be a viable means for my (blind) brother and I to travel to and
>>> from New York. After using it himself, he has changed his mind. The bus
>>> does not stop at any designated station terminal. They pick people up in
>>> neighborhoods which are out in the middle of nowhere. In New York, they
>>> drop people off in Chinatown, and leave it to them to travel with their
>>> luggage to where they need to go. It's more-or-less a bare-bones service.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how crowded the buses are, but the bus, according to my
>>> brother, is not nearly as comfortable as a Greyhound. Baring this in
>>> mind, it's probably not a good idea for any of us to travel on this
>>> service using a guide. Moreover, I would probably not go to bat, unless I
>>>
>>> really thought I would use this service.
>>>
>>> What does concern me, aside from the fact that to them a guide dog is as
>>> good as a pet, is the fact that they seem the least concern with regard
>>> to assisting any blind person, even if they are not using a dog.
>>> Parenthetically, I believe I asked the guy if their buses had wheelchair
>>> lifts, and apparently they don't. It seems to me that this service may be
>>>
>>> in violation of the ADA under many accounts. I'm wondering if these
>>> people should be informed that if they are operating a service in the
>>> United States, they must play by the rules. While I strongly feel the
>>> answer is obviously "Yes", I'm wondering if taking them to task will
>>> really accomplish anything. Somebody told me that the way they can even
>>> have a service like this is to do things under the table. Even if they
>>> are confronted, will they really listen?
>>>
>>> What do you all think?
>>>
>>> Chaim
>>>
>>> Chaim B. Segal
>>> Customer Service Representative: Sinclair Community College, Dayton, Ohio
>>>
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>>>
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