[Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted asUber is?
Andy Leach
aleach5 at woh.rr.com
Wed Feb 4 20:44:53 UTC 2015
Hi again everyone:
Earlier today I indicated that maybe there are bigger fish to fry and maybe that going after these guys may not be the best and most productive use of our time. However, a couple of list members have expressed their thoughts and it has forced me to reconsider my position. First off, traveling with my guide may be a voluntary choice on my part, but it is certainly nobody else's business and it is not my job to accommodate that person because of a phobia or a cultural issue. At least I stand by this position in the United States of America. This being said, if I ever were traveling to ASIA or the Middle East, my dog likely wouldn't be welcome so she would have to stay home while I was there. If a person isn't happy with the laws and regulations here, they don't have to stay!
Now, that being said, I agree with Angel that I personally wouldn't use this transportation company and I'd find other means to get there. If for some reason I wanted to use this service then I would fight the battle because they are definitely discriminating.
-----Original Message-----
From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning via Oagdu
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:03 PM
To: Angel; Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted asUber is?
I agree that race or sex is not a choice but to live in America is a choice. If you want to live here you follow the laws here. You also have a choice about whether you accept or reject others no matter what your race or sex. I think a great question was asked and, if anyone wants to use that transportation it should be open to all. I know a woman from South Korea who has a guide dog so should she be denied services? I don't want to challenge anyone just to challenge them but they can't discriminate.
On 2/4/15, Angel via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Race or sex is not a choice. Our choice to use animals as service or
> guides is a voluntary choice we each make. So comparing the two is
> wrong. I would agree with making an issue regarding this companies
> choice not to provide accommodation for guides if there were no other
> means of transport available. But, this is not the case. Many Asians
> feel dogs are unclean, and many eat them in their countries. Should
> we make them feel uncomfortable riding with us transport appealing to
> them. Particularly if they aren't well acquainted with either our
> language or customs just to make a point? When there are other more
> attractive choices for us to make regarding transport? I say, we
> should leave their transport alone, and ride other forms of transport.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CHRIS TOLLE via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>; "Ohio Association of Guide
> Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
> asUber is?
>
>
>> Morning sir,
>>
>> When God made me, he added an extra layer of hard headedness. I
>> believe that every time we allow any service, organization, company,
>> group or entity of any kind to ignore our rights as citizens of
>> the USA, we weaken our ability to enforce the rights that we have achieved over the
>> past 25 years of ADA. We must stand up to such flagrant disregard for
>> the LAW. If they were to refuse service to someone because of their
>> color
>>
>> or age, the world would be outraged & marching on the mall in DC. As
>> they should. So should we. We must change the world we live in now for
>> the better so that my son, who has an eye issue, doesn’t have to face
>> the same kind of treatment as I do, we do.
>>
>> I wouldn’t ride this bus or use this service but…. I would totally
>> ware them out with the law. We have a strong voice if we unify &
>> stand as one
>>
>> loud voice. We are not here to ask “Please sir, can I have some more.”
>> We are demanding our equal place at the table & all rights &
>> privileges afforded to the rest of the folks at the table.
>>
>> tollebooth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Deanna Lewis via Oagdu
>>> <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Chaim,
>>> I have never heard of this bus service. Do you by any chance
>>> remember the
>>>
>>> name of it? Do they advertise to the public, or mostly to the Asian
>>> population? Please don't misinterpret what I am asking, I am just
>>> trying to understand this company better, I am not trying to be prejudice.
>>> The whole thing sounds shifty, and I don't think I would enjoy
>>> riding on this service with or without a dog.
>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chaim B.
>>> Segal
>>>
>>> via Oagdu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 11:41 PM
>>> To: oagdu at nfbnet.org; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
>>> as Uber is?
>>>
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> As I have been reading the posts on these lists concerning Uber's
>>> hearing, a thought is dawning on me which I thought I would put out
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Over the past few years, it seems as though we have had a major
>>> increase of Chinese immigrants to Ohio. I'm not sure how many of
>>> these people will
>>>
>>> actually stay around, or how many of them are temporary residents.
>>> My apartment complex is swarming with students from the University
>>> of Dayton, whose millionaire parents are paying for them to attend
>>> school here. I don't think that this group has anything to do with
>>> the folks I am mentioning below.
>>>
>>> Before moving to Brooklyn last year, my oldest brother brought it to
>>> our attention that there is now a Chinese bus service which travels
>>> between Dayton, Cincinnati, and New York City. Why only these three
>>> cities I don't know. Perhaps they stop in other places. Anyway, I
>>> was going to use
>>>
>>> this service to take a trip, and researched the operation online. I
>>> called their phone number, and asked the Chinese bloke who answered
>>> the phone a few things about their service. As I expected, they had
>>> a no pets
>>>
>>> policy. I then asked them if they were aware of the rights of guide
>>> dog users to be accompanied by their guide dogs in travel. The
>>> fellow had never heard of guide dog use before. He was adamant that
>>> I cannot travel on his service with a dog. Before this, I asked him
>>> if I could be given assistance off the bus at rest stops, and he said "no."
>>>
>>> I reported my finding to Seeing Eye, and I believe it was Walt
>>> Sutton who
>>>
>>> tried to give them a call. The number I passed on to him (which I
>>> forget)
>>>
>>> turned out to be that of a Chinese Restaurant. He recommended that I
>>> just
>>>
>>> not bother with this service, as for all anybody knows, they may be
>>> operating somewhat illegally anyway.
>>>
>>> My oldest brother paid us a visit over the summer and used this
>>> Chinese bus service to get himself back to New York. Before using
>>> it, he thought it might be a viable means for my (blind) brother and
>>> I to travel to and from New York. After using it himself, he has
>>> changed his mind. The bus does not stop at any designated station
>>> terminal. They pick people up in neighborhoods which are out in the
>>> middle of nowhere. In New York, they drop people off in Chinatown,
>>> and leave it to them to travel with their luggage to where they need to go. It's more-or-less a bare-bones service.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how crowded the buses are, but the bus, according to my
>>> brother, is not nearly as comfortable as a Greyhound. Baring this in
>>> mind, it's probably not a good idea for any of us to travel on this
>>> service using a guide. Moreover, I would probably not go to bat,
>>> unless I
>>>
>>> really thought I would use this service.
>>>
>>> What does concern me, aside from the fact that to them a guide dog
>>> is as good as a pet, is the fact that they seem the least concern
>>> with regard to assisting any blind person, even if they are not using a dog.
>>> Parenthetically, I believe I asked the guy if their buses had
>>> wheelchair lifts, and apparently they don't. It seems to me that
>>> this service may be
>>>
>>> in violation of the ADA under many accounts. I'm wondering if these
>>> people should be informed that if they are operating a service in
>>> the United States, they must play by the rules. While I strongly
>>> feel the answer is obviously "Yes", I'm wondering if taking them to
>>> task will really accomplish anything. Somebody told me that the way
>>> they can even have a service like this is to do things under the
>>> table. Even if they are confronted, will they really listen?
>>>
>>> What do you all think?
>>>
>>> Chaim
>>>
>>> Chaim B. Segal
>>> Customer Service Representative: Sinclair Community College, Dayton,
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>> Every man, woman every boy and girl, Let your love light shine and
>>> make a better world
>>>
>>> Daryl Hall And John Oates
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