[Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted asUber is?

Wed Feb 4 20:51:16 UTC 2015

Andy I totally agree with you.  I travelled to Jermany, Hungary and
Austria with my guide dog and had very few issues.  I found the laws
in Austria and Hungary to be very different from U.S. laws but I
followed them with no issues.  I also went to Bosnia, Croatia, and
Italy and chose to leave my dog at home because of concerns with wild
dogs on some of the countries.  I didn't expect them to change for me.
I changed my behavior.  If I chose to live outside of the U.S. I would
study their laws and try to follow them.

On 2/4/15, Andy Leach <aleach5 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi again everyone:
>
> Earlier today I indicated that maybe there are bigger fish to fry and maybe
> that going after these guys may not be the best and most productive use of
> our time.  However, a couple of list members have expressed their thoughts
> and it has forced me to reconsider my position.  First off, traveling with
> my guide may be a voluntary choice on my part, but it is certainly nobody
> else's business and it is not my job to accommodate that person because of a
> phobia or a cultural issue.  At least I stand by this position in the United
> States of America.  This being said, if I ever were traveling to ASIA or the
> Middle East, my dog likely wouldn't be welcome so she would have to stay
> home while I was there.  If a person isn't happy with the laws and
> regulations here, they don't have to stay!
>
> Now, that being said, I agree with Angel that I personally wouldn't use this
> transportation company and I'd find other means to get there.  If for some
> reason I wanted to use this service then I would fight the battle because
> they are definitely discriminating.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
> via Oagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:03 PM
> To: Angel; Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
> asUber is?
>
> I agree that race or sex is not a choice but to live in America is a choice.
>  If you want to live here you follow the laws here.  You also have a choice
> about whether you accept or reject others no matter what your race or sex.
> I think a great question was asked and, if anyone wants to use that
> transportation it should be open to all.  I know a woman from South Korea
> who has a guide dog so should she be denied services?  I don't want to
> challenge anyone just to challenge them but they can't discriminate.
>
> On 2/4/15, Angel via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Race or sex is not a choice.  Our choice to use animals as service or
>> guides is a voluntary choice we each make.  So comparing the two is
>> wrong.  I would agree with making an issue regarding this companies
>> choice not to provide accommodation for guides if there were no other
>> means of transport available.  But, this is not the case.  Many Asians
>> feel dogs are unclean, and many eat them in their countries.  Should
>> we make them feel uncomfortable riding with us transport appealing to
>> them.  Particularly if they aren't well acquainted with either our
>> language or customs just to make a point?  When there are other more
>> attractive choices for us to make regarding transport?  I say, we
>> should leave their transport alone, and ride other forms of transport.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "CHRIS TOLLE via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>; "Ohio Association of Guide
>> Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
>> asUber is?
>>
>>
>>> Morning sir,
>>>
>>> When God made me, he added an extra layer of hard headedness.  I
>>> believe that every time we allow any service, organization,  company,
>>> group or entity  of any kind to ignore our rights as  citizens  of
>>> the USA, we weaken  our ability to enforce  the rights that we have
>>> achieved over the
>>> past 25 years of ADA.   We must stand up to such  flagrant  disregard
>>> for
>>> the LAW.  If they were to refuse service to someone because of their
>>> color
>>>
>>> or age,  the world would be outraged & marching on the mall in DC.  As
>>> they should.  So should we.   We must change the world we live in now
>>> for
>>> the better so that my son, who has an eye issue, doesn’t have to face
>>> the same kind of treatment as I do, we do.
>>>
>>> I wouldn’t  ride this bus or use this service but…. I would totally
>>> ware them out  with the law.  We have a strong voice if we unify &
>>> stand as one
>>>
>>> loud voice.  We are not here to ask “Please sir, can I have some more.”
>>> We are demanding our equal place at the table & all rights &
>>> privileges afforded to the rest of the folks at the table.
>>>
>>> tollebooth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Deanna Lewis via Oagdu
>>>> <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chaim,
>>>> I have never heard of this bus service. Do you by any chance
>>>> remember the
>>>>
>>>> name of it? Do they advertise to the public, or mostly to the Asian
>>>> population? Please don't misinterpret what I am asking, I am just
>>>> trying to understand this company better, I am not trying to be
>>>> prejudice.
>>>> The whole thing sounds shifty, and I don't think I would enjoy
>>>> riding on this service with or without a dog.
>>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chaim B.
>>>> Segal
>>>>
>>>> via Oagdu
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 11:41 PM
>>>> To: oagdu at nfbnet.org; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
>>>> as Uber is?
>>>>
>>>> Hi All:
>>>>
>>>> As I have been reading the posts on these lists concerning Uber's
>>>> hearing, a thought is dawning on me which I thought I would put out
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> Over the past few years, it seems as though we have had a major
>>>> increase of Chinese immigrants to Ohio. I'm not sure how many of
>>>> these people will
>>>>
>>>> actually stay around, or how many of them are temporary residents.
>>>> My apartment complex is swarming with students from the University
>>>> of Dayton, whose millionaire parents are paying for them to attend
>>>> school here. I don't think that this group has anything to do with
>>>> the folks I am mentioning below.
>>>>
>>>> Before moving to Brooklyn last year, my oldest brother brought it to
>>>> our attention that there is now a Chinese bus service which travels
>>>> between Dayton, Cincinnati, and New York City.  Why only these three
>>>> cities I don't know. Perhaps they stop in other places. Anyway, I
>>>> was going to use
>>>>
>>>> this service to take a trip, and researched the operation online. I
>>>> called their phone number, and asked the Chinese bloke who answered
>>>> the phone a few things about their service. As I expected, they had
>>>> a no pets
>>>>
>>>> policy. I then asked them if they were aware of the rights of guide
>>>> dog users to be accompanied by their guide dogs in travel. The
>>>> fellow had never heard of guide dog use before. He was adamant that
>>>> I cannot travel on his service with a dog. Before this, I asked him
>>>> if I could be given assistance off the bus at rest stops, and he said
>>>> "no."
>>>>
>>>> I reported my finding to Seeing Eye, and I believe it was Walt
>>>> Sutton who
>>>>
>>>> tried to give them a call. The number I passed on to him (which I
>>>> forget)
>>>>
>>>> turned out to be that of a Chinese Restaurant. He recommended that I
>>>> just
>>>>
>>>> not bother with this service, as for all anybody knows, they may be
>>>> operating somewhat illegally anyway.
>>>>
>>>> My oldest brother paid us a visit over the summer and used this
>>>> Chinese bus service to get himself back to New York. Before using
>>>> it, he thought it might be a viable means for my (blind) brother and
>>>> I to travel to and from New York. After using it himself, he has
>>>> changed his mind. The bus does not stop at any designated station
>>>> terminal. They pick people up in neighborhoods which are out in the
>>>> middle of nowhere. In New York, they drop people off in Chinatown,
>>>> and leave it to them to travel with their luggage to where they need to
>>>> go. It's more-or-less a bare-bones service.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how crowded the buses are, but the bus, according to my
>>>> brother, is not nearly as comfortable as a Greyhound. Baring this in
>>>> mind, it's probably not a good idea for any of us to travel on this
>>>> service using a guide. Moreover, I would probably not go to bat,
>>>> unless I
>>>>
>>>> really thought I would use this service.
>>>>
>>>> What does concern me, aside from the fact that to them a guide dog
>>>> is as good as a pet, is the fact that they seem the least concern
>>>> with regard to assisting any blind person, even if they are not using a
>>>> dog.
>>>> Parenthetically, I believe I asked the guy if their buses had
>>>> wheelchair lifts, and apparently they don't. It seems to me that
>>>> this service may be
>>>>
>>>> in violation of the ADA under many accounts. I'm wondering if these
>>>> people should be informed that if they are operating a service in
>>>> the United States, they must play by the rules. While I strongly
>>>> feel the answer is obviously "Yes", I'm wondering if taking them to
>>>> task will really accomplish anything. Somebody told me that the way
>>>> they can even have a service like this is to do things under the
>>>> table. Even if they are confronted, will they really listen?
>>>>
>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>
>>>> Chaim
>>>>
>>>> Chaim B. Segal
>>>> Customer Service Representative: Sinclair Community College, Dayton,
>>>> Ohio
>>>>
>>>> Every man, woman every boy and girl, Let your love light shine and
>>>> make a better world
>>>>
>>>> Daryl Hall And John Oates
>>>>
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