[Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted asUber is?

meandthedog at oberlin.net meandthedog at oberlin.net
Wed Feb 4 21:18:01 UTC 2015 

A guide is a choice. Yet for me it is also the best for my needs.
A company that says the'll talk to each individual takes away
the power of the whole. Companies don't want to deal with such issues.
I don't know anything more attractive then when my MS. P. stops for a
traffic check.  San Fran, go for it.Megan and MS. P.






 Andy I totally agree with you.  I travelled to Jermany, Hungary and
> Austria with my guide dog and had very few issues.  I found the laws
> in Austria and Hungary to be very different from U.S. laws but I
> followed them with no issues.  I also went to Bosnia, Croatia, and
> Italy and chose to leave my dog at home because of concerns with wild
> dogs on some of the countries.  I didn't expect them to change for me.
> I changed my behavior.  If I chose to live outside of the U.S. I would
> study their laws and try to follow them.
>
> On 2/4/15, Andy Leach <aleach5 at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hi again everyone:
>>
>> Earlier today I indicated that maybe there are bigger fish to fry and
>> maybe
>> that going after these guys may not be the best and most productive use
>> of
>> our time.  However, a couple of list members have expressed their
>> thoughts
>> and it has forced me to reconsider my position.  First off, traveling
>> with
>> my guide may be a voluntary choice on my part, but it is certainly
>> nobody
>> else's business and it is not my job to accommodate that person because
>> of a
>> phobia or a cultural issue.  At least I stand by this position in the
>> United
>> States of America.  This being said, if I ever were traveling to ASIA or
>> the
>> Middle East, my dog likely wouldn't be welcome so she would have to stay
>> home while I was there.  If a person isn't happy with the laws and
>> regulations here, they don't have to stay!
>>
>> Now, that being said, I agree with Angel that I personally wouldn't use
>> this
>> transportation company and I'd find other means to get there.  If for
>> some
>> reason I wanted to use this service then I would fight the battle
>> because
>> they are definitely discriminating.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
>> Denning
>> via Oagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:03 PM
>> To: Angel; Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users List
>> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
>> asUber is?
>>
>> I agree that race or sex is not a choice but to live in America is a
>> choice.
>>  If you want to live here you follow the laws here.  You also have a
>> choice
>> about whether you accept or reject others no matter what your race or
>> sex.
>> I think a great question was asked and, if anyone wants to use that
>> transportation it should be open to all.  I know a woman from South
>> Korea
>> who has a guide dog so should she be denied services?  I don't want to
>> challenge anyone just to challenge them but they can't discriminate.
>>
>> On 2/4/15, Angel via Oagdu <oagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Race or sex is not a choice.  Our choice to use animals as service or
>>> guides is a voluntary choice we each make.  So comparing the two is
>>> wrong.  I would agree with making an issue regarding this companies
>>> choice not to provide accommodation for guides if there were no other
>>> means of transport available.  But, this is not the case.  Many Asians
>>> feel dogs are unclean, and many eat them in their countries.  Should
>>> we make them feel uncomfortable riding with us transport appealing to
>>> them.  Particularly if they aren't well acquainted with either our
>>> language or customs just to make a point?  When there are other more
>>> attractive choices for us to make regarding transport?  I say, we
>>> should leave their transport alone, and ride other forms of transport.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "CHRIS TOLLE via Oagdu" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>; "Ohio Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users List" <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
>>> asUber is?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Morning sir,
>>>>
>>>> When God made me, he added an extra layer of hard headedness.  I
>>>> believe that every time we allow any service, organization,  company,
>>>> group or entity  of any kind to ignore our rights as  citizens  of
>>>> the USA, we weaken  our ability to enforce  the rights that we have
>>>> achieved over the
>>>> past 25 years of ADA.   We must stand up to such  flagrant  disregard
>>>> for
>>>> the LAW.  If they were to refuse service to someone because of their
>>>> color
>>>>
>>>> or age,  the world would be outraged & marching on the mall in DC.  As
>>>> they should.  So should we.   We must change the world we live in now
>>>> for
>>>> the better so that my son, who has an eye issue, doesn’t have to
>>>> face
>>>> the same kind of treatment as I do, we do.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn’t  ride this bus or use this service but…. I would
>>>> totally
>>>> ware them out  with the law.  We have a strong voice if we unify &
>>>> stand as one
>>>>
>>>> loud voice.  We are not here to ask “Please sir, can I have some
>>>> more.”
>>>> We are demanding our equal place at the table & all rights &
>>>> privileges afforded to the rest of the folks at the table.
>>>>
>>>> tollebooth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Deanna Lewis via Oagdu
>>>>> <oagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chaim,
>>>>> I have never heard of this bus service. Do you by any chance
>>>>> remember the
>>>>>
>>>>> name of it? Do they advertise to the public, or mostly to the Asian
>>>>> population? Please don't misinterpret what I am asking, I am just
>>>>> trying to understand this company better, I am not trying to be
>>>>> prejudice.
>>>>> The whole thing sounds shifty, and I don't think I would enjoy
>>>>> riding on this service with or without a dog.
>>>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Oagdu [mailto:oagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chaim B.
>>>>> Segal
>>>>>
>>>>> via Oagdu
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 11:41 PM
>>>>> To: oagdu at nfbnet.org; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Oagdu] Chinese Bus Service: Shouldn't they be confronted
>>>>> as Uber is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have been reading the posts on these lists concerning Uber's
>>>>> hearing, a thought is dawning on me which I thought I would put out
>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the past few years, it seems as though we have had a major
>>>>> increase of Chinese immigrants to Ohio. I'm not sure how many of
>>>>> these people will
>>>>>
>>>>> actually stay around, or how many of them are temporary residents.
>>>>> My apartment complex is swarming with students from the University
>>>>> of Dayton, whose millionaire parents are paying for them to attend
>>>>> school here. I don't think that this group has anything to do with
>>>>> the folks I am mentioning below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before moving to Brooklyn last year, my oldest brother brought it to
>>>>> our attention that there is now a Chinese bus service which travels
>>>>> between Dayton, Cincinnati, and New York City.  Why only these three
>>>>> cities I don't know. Perhaps they stop in other places. Anyway, I
>>>>> was going to use
>>>>>
>>>>> this service to take a trip, and researched the operation online. I
>>>>> called their phone number, and asked the Chinese bloke who answered
>>>>> the phone a few things about their service. As I expected, they had
>>>>> a no pets
>>>>>
>>>>> policy. I then asked them if they were aware of the rights of guide
>>>>> dog users to be accompanied by their guide dogs in travel. The
>>>>> fellow had never heard of guide dog use before. He was adamant that
>>>>> I cannot travel on his service with a dog. Before this, I asked him
>>>>> if I could be given assistance off the bus at rest stops, and he said
>>>>> "no."
>>>>>
>>>>> I reported my finding to Seeing Eye, and I believe it was Walt
>>>>> Sutton who
>>>>>
>>>>> tried to give them a call. The number I passed on to him (which I
>>>>> forget)
>>>>>
>>>>> turned out to be that of a Chinese Restaurant. He recommended that I
>>>>> just
>>>>>
>>>>> not bother with this service, as for all anybody knows, they may be
>>>>> operating somewhat illegally anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> My oldest brother paid us a visit over the summer and used this
>>>>> Chinese bus service to get himself back to New York. Before using
>>>>> it, he thought it might be a viable means for my (blind) brother and
>>>>> I to travel to and from New York. After using it himself, he has
>>>>> changed his mind. The bus does not stop at any designated station
>>>>> terminal. They pick people up in neighborhoods which are out in the
>>>>> middle of nowhere. In New York, they drop people off in Chinatown,
>>>>> and leave it to them to travel with their luggage to where they need
>>>>> to
>>>>> go. It's more-or-less a bare-bones service.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure how crowded the buses are, but the bus, according to my
>>>>> brother, is not nearly as comfortable as a Greyhound. Baring this in
>>>>> mind, it's probably not a good idea for any of us to travel on this
>>>>> service using a guide. Moreover, I would probably not go to bat,
>>>>> unless I
>>>>>
>>>>> really thought I would use this service.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does concern me, aside from the fact that to them a guide dog
>>>>> is as good as a pet, is the fact that they seem the least concern
>>>>> with regard to assisting any blind person, even if they are not using
>>>>> a
>>>>> dog.
>>>>> Parenthetically, I believe I asked the guy if their buses had
>>>>> wheelchair lifts, and apparently they don't. It seems to me that
>>>>> this service may be
>>>>>
>>>>> in violation of the ADA under many accounts. I'm wondering if these
>>>>> people should be informed that if they are operating a service in
>>>>> the United States, they must play by the rules. While I strongly
>>>>> feel the answer is obviously "Yes", I'm wondering if taking them to
>>>>> task will really accomplish anything. Somebody told me that the way
>>>>> they can even have a service like this is to do things under the
>>>>> table. Even if they are confronted, will they really listen?
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chaim
>>>>>
>>>>> Chaim B. Segal
>>>>> Customer Service Representative: Sinclair Community College, Dayton,
>>>>> Ohio
>>>>>
>>>>> Every man, woman every boy and girl, Let your love light shine and
>>>>> make a better world
>>>>>
>>>>> Daryl Hall And John Oates
>>>>>
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>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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