[Ohio-talk] Work Tolorence

Wed May 21 01:01:43 UTC 2014

Hi Marianne,
I agree with you. I do however wonder if we have gone too far in our effort to allow consumer choice. I understand why this came about and I also understand that it is helpful if people know what they want to do and how to get there. Some people need help in figuring out how to get where they want to go.
Now what about a person who chooses a field which wouldn't be very good for them. I mean someone going into radio broadcasting who cannot speak above a whisper and who cannot interview people because she cannot retain for more than five minutes what they tell her. I am not exaggerating either of these two things.
It was a waste of money for BSVI to pay for college and graduate school for someone who cannot speak loud enough for her voice to come over theradio, cannot be heard well over the phone, and who cannot remember what people tell her and ask the same question five minutes later.
A very good friend of mine felt bad but could not accept her as a volunteer.
I volunteered for this program for 25 years until it ended.
Where do you draw the line?
Colleen Roth

----- Original Message -----
From: Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 09:02:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Work Tolorence

>
>
> I think the man who posted originally was talking about the disability
> culture.  I would like him to post and further explain what he meant.
> 
> I believe there are some skills we can all use when we are receiving
> services from OOD or any other agency.  It is helpful if we know our
> goal and what help we need to achieve that goal.  If we don't know
> then it is up to the service provider to fill in the gaps and they
> will fill it in with things they know.  I worked as a rehabilitation
> counselor many years ago and I was more successful when people knew
> what they wanted to accomplish and how they planned to get there.  I
> might make suggestions to help someone reach the goal and they could
> share their thoughts on the goal.  I believe, too often, we let the
> "professionals" intimidate us a little.
> 
> Those are just some thoughts.
> 
> On 5/20/14, Kaiti Shelton via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm a bit late on the conversation, but the cultural stuff is kind of
> > interesting to me.  While I totally agree that BSVI needs some serious
> > changing, I have limited experience with them because I am still
> > working towards my degree.  So, I will speak about the culture stuff.
> >
> > I think that although the blind do not have such an organized culture
> > as the deaf, that there are certain things we do when we're in groups
> > that we wouldn't normally do with sighted peers.  For example, I
> > usually dumb down my explanations of braille, notetakers, etc for
> > sighted people who are curious enough to ask about them.  When I'm
> > with a group of blind people about my age, we freely talk about the
> > stuff we use on a daily basis.  A really popular thing for us to do
> > when we were about 16 or so was to write BrailleNote documents which
> > made weird sounds.  One of our friends was so good at it that he could
> > make Keynote Gold sound like it had a southern accent, and he also
> > could make it sound like it was beat boxing.  It sounds incredibly
> > childish, but we thought it was the funniest thing for a while.  It
> > was something unique to our group, that sighted kids our age just
> > would not have understood.
> >
> > I have also heard some very interesting terminology in various social
> > circles such as the NABS list.  I have heard the term "blink" before
> > too, and though personally I think it is a bit weird, I know people
> > who use that term.  I also know people who describe canes as "sticks"
> > and that is a different matter because it doesn't accurately teach
> > sighted people those "stick" sayers come into contact with.  One
> > person on NABS has consistently referred to sighted people in kind of
> > a condescending way, calling them "Old sighty."  I know there are
> > groups out there who really don't like to be around sighted people for
> > perceived injustices towards them, and that's a cultural thing.  Not
> > to mention that I've seen the blindisms of rocking actually come into
> > play, not because the blind people wanted them to but just because
> > it's weird for a sighted person to see, so they're less likely to
> > socialize with someone who can't sit still and have a conversation.
> >
> > I guess it really depends on how you look at it.  Definitely, we are
> > not as culturized as the deaf, but I do think that groups of blind
> > people have quirks which create a sort of culture surrounding their
> > blindness.  And, Colleen, I agree about the ASL.  I took a
> > sign-singing choir class that used pigeon for both semesters last
> > year, and it was much less efficient than ASL.  Pigeon is basically
> > only the ASL symbol signs with no finger spelling at all, but the main
> > drawback to it is that the translations are very weird.  I know enough
> > that a deaf person could have a simple conversation with me using it,
> > but they would probably have to think about what I was saying to make
> > sense of it.  It would be like if a person speaking to you only knew
> > certain words, and didn't use conjunctions at all, or could not add
> > endings like ING or ER to the endings of words.  My favorite
> > translation happened when we were signing My Favorite Things from The
> > Sound of Music for our Christmas concert.  The line that says,
> > "Doorbells and slaybells and schnitzel with noodles," was translated
> > to Doorbell ring, Christmas spaghetti.  This was due largely in part
> > to the lack of a sign for schnitzel, but Christmas spaghetti became a
> > catch phrase in the class whenever we had a translation which was
> > particularly weird.
> >
> > On 5/19/14, COLLEEN ROTH via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >ar  Hello,
> >ar Well I wouldn't say that blind people have a disability culture.
> >ar I think deaf people have a deaf culture because of the fact that they
> >ar have
> >ar had to find different ways of communicating. I do think that some people
> >ar who
> >ar are deaf may feel isolated due to the challenges they have in
> >ar communicating
> >ar with others. There are also some people who want to use a system to
> >ar communicate which other deaf people might not agree with. I know that
> >ar there
> >ar are some deaf people who want to spell each word when they communicate
> >ar and
> >ar some want to use ASL while others prefer total communication. I thin that
> >ar the pendulum is swinging toward the middle now and ASL is more accepted
> >ar than
> >ar it was in the mid sixties to the mid seventies for example.
> >ar I can't remember what the communication system is called which has people
> >ar communicating with each other by spelling each word.
> >ar I for one am glad that ASL is more accepted now for ease of
> >ar communication.
> >ar We could probably compare this to Braille.
> >ar Deaf people in different parts of the country have their own little
> >ar short-hand which is understood by those they spend time with.
> >ar I think some blind people may have had some of that kind of lingo and
> >ar cutesy
> >ar sayings particularly at schools for the blind.
> >ar I was aghast the first time I heard someone refer to themselves as a
> >ar Blink.
> >ar I had no clue what they were talking about and to this day I never use
> >ar that
> >ar term.
> >ar Colleen Roth
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar ----- Original Message -----
> >ar From: Arlie Ray via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >ar To: ohio-talk at nfbnet.org
> >ar Date: Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:51 am
> >ar Subject: [Ohio-talk] Work Tolorence
> >ar
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi List Viewers,
> >>>
> >>> Your concerns about this work tolorence matter are completely valid.
> >>> Consequently, I am trying to become a job developer because I think
> >>> counselors and employment specialists are missing one key resource; they
> >>> do
> >>> not understand disability culture. Not having this understanding means
> >>> that
> >>> all jobseekers with disabilities get treated the same. Hence the need
> >>> for
> >>> a
> >>> "work tolorence" program. A blanket program for counselors who only
> >>> understand disability from a "how fast can you get the job done" point
> >>> of
> >>> view.
> >>>
> >>> Blanket programs are wrong, cause too many inconsistencies, and are
> >>> antiquated ways of thinking. There is no unified theory for assisting
> >>> any
> >>> job seeker. Everyone needs help in different areas, from soft skills
> >>> training to resume writing. Some people only need a piece of assistive
> >>> technology and they can hit the ground running. As blind people, we just
> >>> can't see, but without an understanding of disability culture we are all
> >>> to
> >>> often treated as if we can't think.
> >>>
> >>> I hope this did not sound to preachy.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Arlie Ray
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> > --
> > Kaiti Shelton
> > University of Dayton 2016.
> > Music Therapy, Psychology, Philosophy
> > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> > Sigma Alpha Iota-Delta Sigma
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> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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