[Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center

Fri May 23 12:57:06 UTC 2014

Hello,
I know ACB promotes Braille. I can't explain this except to say that Dawn had pretty usable vision into the first couple of years in Elementary School.
I am talking about Dawn Christensen who will be retiving from the Sight Center.
I think the bottom line for her is profit.
Colleen Roth

----- Original Message -----
From: Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 06:56:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center

>
>
> Yes, but ACB also strongly promotes the use of braille.  Why wouldn't
> any blind person strongly promote braille?  That would be like saying
> literacy is not important.
> 
> On 5/22/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Ditto, Mariann. Patience is a weakness of mine, add me to your
> > prayers. Blessings
> >
> > On 5/22/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >ar I agree Cheryl, but I always tell God to give me patience and give it
> >ar to me now.  Patience isn't always one of my strengths.  I am extremely
> >ar patient with people but there are other areas where I am not patient.
> >ar
> >ar On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Mariann, Absolutely! To change it takes courage, one day it will
> >>> happen. all we can do is control and change ourselves. Keep the Faith
> >>> Blessings
> >>>
> >>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> I agree with you totally.  I want action at Clovernook but no one else
> >>>> seems interested and I can't do it alone.  Hopefully, people will get
> >>>> tired of it one day and decide to change things.  I have changed my
> >>>> own behaviors by refusing to work with Clovernook on any level but it
> >>>> takes others to act too.
> >>>>
> >>>> I must say, that in the case of Clovernook, it is not the direct staff
> >>>> but their administration and board.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>> Totally agree with you. however if some of us are willing to stoke the
> >>>>> fire, let's do it!
> >>>>> One of the things Toledo folks can do is to approach board president
> >>>>> and suggest forming consumer council committee. We have this and has
> >>>>> become a useful tool, offering guidance, sugggestions, constructive
> >>>>> critisim to agency. There should be a group of blind people that
> >>>>> understand the structure of agency, financially and operationally to
> >>>>> communicate what is acceptable and reasonable to consumers and agency.
> >>>>> You are right. It is difficult if you don't understand or not aware of
> >>>>> how much to expect from training. Thank god for nfb and this list for
> >>>>> others to share concerns. Every now and then, we are too passive,
> >>>>> sometimes a good fight can change that attitude.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Cheryl, I appreciate that but it will take people in the Toledo area
> >>>>>> to make the needed changes.  That is why I asked if anyone from NFB
> >>>>>> was on the board.  Often the board is made up of business people in
> >>>>>> the community who have the ability to raise money for the
> >>>>>> organization
> >>>>>> and that is good but there also need to be blind people on the board
> >>>>>> who can represent the needs of the people who receive services.  This
> >>>>>> could also be handled through different committees providing guidance
> >>>>>> to the agency.  We can complain all we want but until we get in and
> >>>>>> work for change, nothing will happen.  We need to stop being so
> >>>>>> passive.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> M, what do you have in mind? I am on the board of Cleveland Sight
> >>>>>>> Center and am willing to help, if I can. CEO of Cleveland Sight
> >>>>>>> Center
> >>>>>>> may have relationship with Toledo. There must be a workable
> >>>>>>> solution,
> >>>>>>> it's disturbing to know that this is what is passing as rehab
> >>>>>>> offered
> >>>>>>> out there. Blessings, Cheryl Fields
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Is anyone from NFB on their board?  We have a similar problem with
> >>>>>>>> Clovernook here in Cincinnati but we also have Cincinnati
> >>>>>>>> Association
> >>>>>>>> for the Blind.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/20/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hello Aleeha,
> >>>>>>>>> Anything can be stated on a website.
> >>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that that is what the staff believe.
> >>>>>>>>> The website just mentions braille and then goes on to discuss
> >>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>> things.
> >>>>>>>>> There is no qualified Braille Teacher at the Sight Center and
> >>>>>>>>> Braille
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>> emphasized in any way for those who need it.
> >>>>>>>>> I love my Braille Sense but I like having a slate and stylus to
> >>>>>>>>> write
> >>>>>>>>> something down because it just fits in my purse.
> >>>>>>>>> I can also hand someone my information in Braille if they can read
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>> not have something with them.
> >>>>>>>>> When I want to study something sometimes I just want to read it
> >>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>> fingers.
> >>>>>>>>> I like to have a book to read when I am in a doctor's office and
> >>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>> someone's bedside.
> >>>>>>>>> More than once, I have read something, anything, to someone who
> >>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>> wanted
> >>>>>>>>> to be read to while they were in the hospital.
> >>>>>>>>> Br in a book is quieter than using a notetaker when I am in
> >>>>>>>>> Church.
> >>>>>>>>> It is also much easier to use when I am standing at the Ambo to
> >>>>>>>>> read
> >>>>>>>>> Scripture for Mass.
> >>>>>>>>> I have used my Braille Sense for certain Prayer Meetings and
> >>>>>>>>> classes
> >>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>> give me Braille on paper for many other things.
> >>>>>>>>> I also find myself using braille to label cans and other food
> >>>>>>>>> items.
> >>>>>>>>> Let's be reasonable not every one wants or can afford an iphone or
> >>>>>>>>> ID
> >>>>>>>>> Mate.
> >>>>>>>>> Colleen Roth
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
> >>>>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:36:35 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Iam not quite sure what to think about this. Although I believe
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> Braille is not as fast as a computer for communicating, I believe
> >>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> still relevant and important. I think the website does a good job
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> expressing that technology is not the only answer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Aleeha
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> > On May 20, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
> >>>>>>>>>> > <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> > Since people have been talking about the Toledo Sight Center I
> >>>>>>>>>> > thought
> >>>>>>>>>> > I would look at their website.  Below you will find what they
> >>>>>>>>>> > have
> >>>>>>>>>> > to
> >>>>>>>>>> > say about their technology services.  In the beginning they
> >>>>>>>>>> > talk
> >>>>>>>>>> > about
> >>>>>>>>>> > technology and mention  that many people still use braille...
> >>>>>>>>>> > Read
> >>>>>>>>>> > this and feel free to comment.
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> > Technology Resource Center
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> > The rapid advancement of computer technology has opened many
> >>>>>>>>>> > doors
> >>>>>>>>>> > for
> >>>>>>>>>> > blind and visually impaired people. Although many blind people
> >>>>>>>>>> > still
> >>>>>>>>>> > use Braille, the opportunity to communicate faster and easier
> >>>>>>>>>> > via
> >>>>>>>>>> > computers that read aloud is opening new worlds of
> >>>>>>>>>> > communication
> >>>>>>>>>> > including surfing the web as well as sending and receiving
> >>>>>>>>>> > email.
> >>>>>>>>>> > Additionally, for the visually impaired person, computers
> >>>>>>>>>> > offering
> >>>>>>>>>> > large screens allow for enlarged type size and high contrast
> >>>>>>>>>> > color
> >>>>>>>>>> > patterns that permit easier reading.
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> > --
> >>>>>>>>>> > Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> >>>>>>>>>> > Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> >>>>>>>>>> > (513) 607-6053
> >>>>>>>>>> >
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> >ar Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> >ar (513) 607-6053
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